Talk:L.A. Woman/GA1

GA Review

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch

Reviewer: Ritchie333 (talk · contribs) 19:45, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

This is my favourite Doors album by a wide margin, and I used to do a cover of the title track in a band years ago (though I used a Wurlitzer on it). I'll read through the article and then assess where we are. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:45, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing the article so soon after I nominated it. I have expanded it over the course of several months and hope it has been improved. I understand it will not be perfect right away, but I am prepared to work with you to fix any concerns. Thanks again!TheGracefulSlick (talk) 20:24, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Background

• When I've improved album articles to GA, I usually start with a brief summary of the band's career. Nothing more than a sentence, just the Doors being together for 5 years and releasing 5 (?) hit albums should be enough.
• What makes thedoorsguide.com a reliable source?
• "In November 1970, shortly after the conclusion of Morrison's controversial trial for indecent exposure" - what was the result of the trial? Was he bailed, were the charges dropped?
• The citation to John Densmore's autobiography needs a page number
• "It was released without the band's input, and featured a larger-than-life image of a younger Morrison" - what does "larger than life" mean in this instance?
• What makes archives.waiting-forthe-sun.net a reliable source?

• Response - I replaced the doorsguide source with others. The second comment is actually answered at the beginning of the background section. As for the autobiography, I have a question: If a book (I used Googlebooks for this reference) does not have page numbers on the actual page, how do I find it? My "larger-than-life" description is used because Morrison was upset that he was made out to be more important, almost God-like, in comparison to his bandmates, but it can be tweaked. I thought the last source is reliable since it is an interview with Botnick. Do you recommend it be changed?TheGracefulSlick (talk) 14:15, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

If you use Google Books, there is a clever way of getting the page number - click on the "link" icon, scroll across the URL generated in the "Paste in email or IM", look for a section starting &pg=PT123# .... the "123" there is your page number. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:14, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Recording

• Do we know anything more about why Marc Benno was chosen to play on the album?
• It looks like Curly Turkey has gone ahead and fixed a number of things I was going to comment on.

Music

• "Despite its troubled beginnings, L.A. Woman contains some of the Doors' most mystical and ethereal music" - this sounds too POV to go in the main text, perhaps it should belong in the "Release and reception" section?
• "Artistically, L.A. Woman took the musical experimentation of the original band to the farthest logical extreme, mixing blues, psychedelia, and jazz, often within a single song" - as above
• "Combining Morrison's wistful imagery with hypnotic double-tracked spoken word" - as above, "wistful imagery" sounds too POV for an encyclopedia article

Live performances

• What makes liveforlivemusic.com a reliable source?

Release and reception

• For citing the original sleeve, I find it's best to use {{cite AV media notes}}, and using the original serial number (if you've got the LP, it'll be easily identifiable on the jacket).
• "although he lamented "Been Down So Long" and "L'America" - what does "lamented" mean in this context?

Personnel

• As above, if you're citing the 2007 Rhino CD, provide the specific serial number. The credits don't correlate with the original LP (which credits Manzerek simply as "piano/organ").
• "Been Down So Long" has two guitars (lead on the left, slide on the right) - are they both Krieger? This slightly contradicts the prose which claims everything was live bar keyboard overdubs

Summary

• I've trimmed down the prose so it's a bit more readable. Of the unresolved issues above, I think we can sort these out fairly quickly, so I'll put the review on hold for now. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:38, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
• Response - Ritchie333 I have addressed some of the concerns. I moved the booklets and liner notes to the appropriate format and changed the source in the live performance section. I changed the wording in the reception section as well. If it is okay with you, I wish to further discuss the music POV issues. Personally, I do not agree with the statements word for word, but the sources I read generally relate to what I wrote. If I added more sources to those sections could they stay? I just think the music itself needs to be described, but in many ways how it is described is an opinion. However, that is unavoidable in this case. I will alter or remove it if it comes to that because I want to reach GA, but I want your viewpoint before I proceed.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:46, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Several issues of sourcing have not been addressed - these need to be fixed before the article can meet the GA criteria. Also the suggestions for adding a brief sentence as an intro for those who don't know much about the Doors, and adding why Mark Benno was at the sections haven't been addressed. I find it's better to address each point individually rather than just summarising, as it's too easy for issues to be missed out. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:50, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Ritchie333 I addressed the sources, sorry, I did not realize I used the doorsguide as many times as I did. I also included a sentence about the Doors' five hit studio albums, and found out Benno was involved because of his work with Leon Russell.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 16:48, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I've done some more copyedits based on comments here and on talk. We could probably do a bit more "spit and polish" on the article, but for now I think it meets the GA criteria, so I'll pass the review now. Well done. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:54, 18 July 2016 (UTC)