Talk:LA Monster

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:54, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that in the song "LA Monster", Kanye West claims that Los Angeles lets Satan run the streets of the city? source: https://brobible.com/culture/article/jesus-is-king-kanye-west-gospel-album/

• ALT1:... that Kanye West criticizes Los Angeles on the song "LA Monster", despite living in the city's suburbs?
• ALT2: ... that Kanye West previewed the songs "Up from the Ashes" and "LA Monster" at multiple listening parties, yet the songs weren't included on his album Jesus Is King?
• Reviewed: Mia Kang
• Comment: I've also proposed "Up from the Ashes" (DYK nomination), so both blurbs can be combined.

Created by Nice4What (talk). Self-nominated at 14:05, 23 March 2020 (UTC).

• Article length and age look good. No copyvio per earwig tool and spot checks. Inline citations with reliable sources are used. Hook and alts are fine. My preference is the original hook. Presented in neutral fashion although topic of song presents Los Angeles in an unfavorable light. Verified QPQ. Well done! Note: I am a first-time DYK reviewer so a second reviewer would be appreciated. Skeet Shooter (talk) 22:39, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
• Hook has source in article but not in nom. I added it above. Skeet Shooter (talk) 23:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Skeet Shooter: Good work on your first review! By the way, it's not required to leave a source by a hook if its well-cited/apparent in the article, but I appreciate it anyways. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 00:55, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 23 March 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. This does not need consensus when it's a simple technical matter, and should have been made with a simpler dab to begin with. Ss112 16:56, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

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LA Monster (Kanye West and Dr. Dre song) → LA Monster – No other notable song titled "LA Monster". Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 18:29, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support: you could have asked for this as an uncontroversial move, since the only reason it's not already at LA Monster is because that is a redirect for the same song. However, this is still lacking in reliable sources to be worthy of its own article. Richard3120 (talk) 21:31, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

  Not sure what's lacking in its notability. The song was covered/reviewed in its September/October 2019 version and has since proven to be notable as part of a March 2020 leak. The only thing lacking at the moment might be commercial performance, but then again the song has been officially released yet. I compare this article to the other songs cut from Jesus Is King: "New Body" and "Up from the Ashes". Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 13:36, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, and I'm not convinced those songs are notable either, at least not "Up from the Ashes"... they're all just passing mentions. Still we're not here to talk about notability – this article title should definitely be moved. Richard3120 (talk) 14:00, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

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@Ss112: Try leaving your comments on a talk page instead of splitting them through the revision history. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 16:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Nice4What: Try making articles in the right place next time. Oh wait, no, you won't do that, because you want to have ~credit~ and/or don't like me so won't create content on a redirect made by me, despite the fact you made Jesus Is King Part II on another user's redirect. Just like that irrelevant Bon Iver song you went out of your way to title something else. I'm allowed to make a comment in the revision history when moving a redirect that's in the way (my own redirect, by the way). Nice try telling me I can't or shouldn't though. Ss112 17:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Ss112: It was a suggestion, not an order. "Yi and iMi" is an article about two songs, it's not about taking credit for your scattered redirects. How long have you held this assumption about me (lol)? I named LA Monster as such just like I made UFTA as such. I would suggest that you stop being aggressive, but then again you don't like being told what to do. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 17:07, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Nice4What: Oh, so you by comparison (would) like being told what to do? Sure. You wouldn't be on this website if you did. If that reply was "aggressive" to you, that's completely your reading of it. It was entirely banal from my end. As for the pointless Bon Iver article you made, one of those songs is a stupid little interlude nobody even talked about, so it shouldn't (have) be(en) in the article title in the first place. I know of very few other articles encompassing more than one song title in the article title (unless it's a double A-side, and even then a lot of those undergo content splits, or a medley/suite), and I don't think this is special nor should it (have) be(en) an exception (as one of the songs is far less relevant and talked about than the other, and given how much there is on the actual full song itself, that's saying something). However, that's all I care to say about it here. Ss112 17:13, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Ss112: "Yi" as an interlude serves as the entire background of the five year recording process for I, I. Read the background and recording section or watch this video. Bring it to the talk page and again, (I suggest that you) get out of your head and stop making assumptions about "credit". It's humorous. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 17:22, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Nice4What: I don't care about the Bon Iver song enough other than to make a minor edit, so nah, I'm good. Thanks for the suggestion as well, but I'm also good in that regard. It's also rather coincidental that "Up from the Ashes" is another song you made as a separate article to get around a redirect I created as well, and is (also) in the middle of a move request to overwrite said redirect. Hm....not so much looking like an assumption any more, but rather more like I'm observing a pattern. Don't mistake it, though: I don't really care whether you do or don't create content on a redirect I made, but I do take issue with you trying to pretend it's not what it looks like, given it goes on all the time with other users.

Also, you, an experienced editor, trying to say or imply you only gave this article the same disambiguator "(Kanye West and Dr. Dre song)" that Up from the Ashes had, when you clearly would have seen LA Monster (before being moved out of the way) was a redirect to the album article (and could have made it there, as it refers to nothing else), and also when you know article titles don't need the same disambiguation in their titles as the artist's other articles, as it depends on each individual page and not being one of a set that matches. What I'm saying is you clearly knew beforehand LA Monster was a redirect to the album. If the reason isn't that you didn't want to create content on a redirect I (not just any user, but me) made, and like I just said, you know matching disambiguation is not a thing, I'm failing to see a valid reason why you went out of your way to make it at LA Monster (Kanye West and Dr. Dre song) other than article credit. But here you are claiming it's not that. Ss112 17:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)