Talk:LGBTI history of the Olympic and Paralympic Games

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Medal counts

The RfC discussed the addition here in which each athlete in the "List of LGBT Olympians" section was annotated with an icon per person of every medal the person ever won. There is no consensus for this kind of annotation, so it should not be restored unless another discussion achieves consensus for that approach.

There was strong support for including the medal count in the "List of LGBT Olympians" section. Most editors suggested creating a table to list the medal counts. One editor suggested using the method here to use medal icons that contain numbers (such as Template:Gold1, which gives ). Further discussion is needed to determine which approach is preferred.

Cunard (talk) 22:31, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

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Recently, an anonymous IP started annotating the list of athletes in this article with running medal counts, marked by , or icons. And I don't just mean one icon per person, but an icon for every medal the person ever won — Ian Thorpe, for example, had nine icons after his name. As I don't believe tallying medal counts is relevant in this context, but instead just clutters up the article unnecessarily, I removed it with an explanation in my edit summary — however, my removal has now been reverted twice (once by another anonymous IP, and once by a newly registered username who's probably that same IP), with no explanation given of why the information was warranted — the only "explanation" given was a false claim that my edits constituted vandalism.

Rather than letting this turn into an ongoing revert war, however, I want to solicit opinions: is there a compelling reason that I'm missing why the list of LGBT athletes in this article should directly annotate their full medal counts, or was I right to remove that as not being useful or relevant content in this context? Bearcat (talk) 14:55, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

If we're going to do that, I'd rather re-format it as a table. I don't think the number of medals won is trivial. It is an article based on a class of Olympic athletes, so surely their accomplishments are worth noting in some way. ViperSnake151  Talk  15:33, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Medal count is useful and adds to the article. Also helps demonstrate the claim by Outsports in the lead that 47% of out sportsman win medals.Andynct (talk) 06:51, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

So a table with medal counts and a read-out of the specific sport they partake in? ViperSnake151  Talk  07:02, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

This list will eventually require a separate page anyway. A table sounds nice with sortable info but really will make it unwieldy. If changed to table then I think it should be moved to a separate page "List of LGBT Olympians"Andynct (talk) 13:02, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

see if you can find anything at MOS. but i personally believe the medals should be included with numbers, preferably in tables. --HamedH94 (talk) 05:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

• Medal counts are important but I have a problem with listing every medal won by everyone listed here. That list with all the medal buttons is ugly and harder to read. I don't feel that even listing the totals is needed here. If people are interested they can click on the linked names and find out all about it. Someone above said that it will "demonstrate the claim by Outsports in the lead that 47% of out sportsman win medals"... if that's the case a simple asterisk next to individuals who have won medals should suffice (with the proper note on what the asterisk stands for). But in this context, medal numbers/types and buttons just get in the way for our readers. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:44, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
• I support adding a table using numbers to note how many gold, silver, and bronze medals each athlete won as opposed to using the icons. The information is notable and something readers would be interested in reading about but adding the icons will convolute the page/table. Meatsgains (talk) 16:38, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
• There are medal icons that contain numbers, and I propose that as a compromise. See the list of US competitors at the 2016 Summer Olympics for an instance of prior use. An example template can be found at Template:Gold1, which gives RegistryKey^(RegEdit) 04:42, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support per Meatsgains. SW3 5DL (talk) 04:45, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

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Percentage of openly homosexual participants who won a medal - comparison

The lead paragraph says "Out of the 104 openly gay and lesbian participants in the Summer Olympics as of 2012, 53% have won a medal." This statement would be much more meaningful if it were followed by something like "compared to x% of all participants winning a medal". Can we source x%, or the raw numbers (number of medal winners, number of participants) with which do a routine calculation? Mitch Ames (talk) 12:03, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

I found this to be quite a neutral point as it is simply about creating figures that more accurately represent the percentage. There are no points that are overrepresented due to it being a highly analytical articleMichael Lloyd2020 (talk) 01:02, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

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Tom Daley

Tom Daley was not out when he competed in 2012. Sajita (talk) 23:50, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Renate Groenewold LGBT Status

`in this article, Renate Groenewold is listed as one of the Queer Olympians in the 2010 Vancouver Olympics. however in her own separate article she stated she was listed despite the fact she is not lesbian. I also found many of the sources were not working for me, so I was unable to verify or disprove either position.

"issues" in the title

Can we please consider other pages names? One without "issues" in the title? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:32, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kingsif: Curious for your thoughts ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, been busy. Absolutely no issue ;) with removing it from the title. "History" would be my first suggestion of an alternative if we're just putting a better word in - I am sure we can come up with suggestions if rephrasing the whole title. If you feel "issues" should be removed promptly, I'd suggest putting in "history" in the immediate and going from there as to discussing which route (title format) to take and then the specific wording. Kingsif (talk) 15:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 26 August 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans 17:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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LGBTI issues at the Olympic and Paralympic Games → LGBTI history of the Olympic and Paralympic Games – We need a parent article about the intersection of the LGBT community and the Olympic Games, but I do not believe we should include "issues" in the title. Open to alternative titles, but starting with this proposal to get the ball rolling per discussion above. Note: I had proposed moving certain sections of this article to LGBT and the Olympic Games, but the page was redirected. Please help determine a better title. Thanks! --Another Believer _(Talk) 14:29, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Per discussion above - but, perhaps I was unclear, I think *this* move would be uncontroversial and a formal RM waiting to be decided for a week is a bit pointless for it, and should be saved for rename proposals that are substantially different. Kingsif (talk) 14:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment, why does this article use LGBTI and not LGBTQ like the parent article? Esolo5002 (talk) 20:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

  1. This is the parent article within its field, 2. Because it also contains information about Intersex Olympics-related topics. Kingsif (talk) 20:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

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