Talk:LGBTQ rights in Jordan

Is It Illegal

I manage to get a hold of a translated copy of the Jordanian Penal Code (albeit not the most recent edition). Alas, the most recent edition is only printed in Arabic. Based on the translated edition, it would seem that same-sex sexuality is not, per se, illegal if it involves private, noncommerical, nonfraternal acts between unmarried adults (16+)

However, the public (based on a poll) generally does not approve of homosexuality. This means that the government cannot be seen as being too liberal on the issue. The penal code itself does prohibit indecent acts, disorderly conduct, conduct that may breach the peace, immoral conduct that may be seen by other people, "promoting" immorality to minors, attempting to marry against family law, etc. Considerably lee way for police and judges to jail or fine people.

The Constitution does say that Islamic is the official religion and a source of legislation. Also, their are other laws in Jordan, which do not get included with the main penal code. Like the one on Public Meetings, the Press or on public associations, etc. I assume that their is a separate military code as well. [Browned79] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.142.188.27 (talk) 15:41, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

A copy of the Jordanian penal code is a primary source, i.e. its without interpretation, which is usually found in secondary sources, which the article currently uses. The article is fine the way it is now, unless you have contradicting secondary sources. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

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There is nothing to show that honour killings have happened to LGBT individuals, nor is there any evidence about "sexual perversion" to show that it includes LGBT. Simply stating that doesn't make it a fact. Guess work is not aprecciated

The part of "does not look uncritically upon homosexuality" can be refernced within wikipedia as I read something about it.

also article 304 doesn't refer to Honour killings I checked, therefore after reading the peace in BBC I realized it is 340 so i corrected it. Please refrain from reverting it. This is

If there is no refernce then I will have to mark it as NPOV.

http://www.gaymiddleeast.com/country/jordan says that there is an active community and considerable freedom

http://www.actwin.com/eatonohio/gay/world.htm says that there is no law to prevent same sex intercourse or relations

"The Penal Code of 1951 makes no distinction between sexual intercourse by persons of the same sex or persons of different sexes." (Schmitt and Soefer – "Sexuality and Eroticism among Males in Moslem Societies")

I would like that included without revert wars

The Jordanian penal code outlaws homosexuality ("sodomy") only if it involves someone under the age of 16, or someone who is mentally deficient or in a position of authority over the other person, or if it involves adultery, incest or prostitution or public acts or someone tries to force someone into a relationship or uses booze or illegal drugs. It is unclear if the military law is different in Jordan in this respect. So, same-sex public displays of affection could violate "public morality" and "public order"-type laws, and it is possible that a regional governor or police sheriff might try to use "public morality" and "public order"-type laws,to harass gay people or stop them from holding social events in public or getting political active. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.127.166.57 (talk) 16:38, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

In response to this; "Under Jordanian law homosexuality is illegal. Public displays of affection between homosexual couple could result in arrest and prison sentences." The travel advice is based on information supplied by the local British embassy and presumably they have checked." Looking at the national penal code, homosexuality per se is not illegal, but their are several "public morality" and "public order" -type laws that could be used against a gay couple that engaged in public displays of affection. Likewise, anti-gay discrimination is also not illegal, so a hotel or restaurant could kick out a gay couple if the owner objects to their sexual orientation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.127.166.57 (talk) 16:46, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

--raraa 15:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the legal question needs to be cleared up. The British government's travel advice states: "Under Jordanian law homosexuality is illegal. Public displays of affection between homosexual couple could result in arrest and prison sentences." The travel advice is based on information supplied by the local British embassy and presumably they have checked.

See: http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618386064

I am not aware of any confirmed LGBT honour killings but that doesn't mean they do not occur. There is evidence that many honour killings (in general) go unreported.

See Human Rights Watch: http://www.hrw.org/reports/2004/jordan0404/

I have come across several JGBT Jordanians living abroad who believe they would be at risk of honour killing if they returned. The "rationale" behind these killings (loss of family honour) applies to same-sex relationships as much as it does to opposite-sex relationships. There is a reported case of a gay Jordanian who was shot (but not killed) by his brother in an "honour" situation. See: Jimenez, Marina: "Gay Jordanian Now 'Gloriously Free' in Canada". The Globe & Mail, Toronto, May 20, 2004. http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040520/GAY20/TPNational/TopStories

HIV section should be deleted

Because it makes no reference to LGBT people, and by keeping the secton it would imply that only LGBT people can be infected with it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.137.74.71 (talk) 00:08, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree. This should be removed, or more specification on why this section is included should be added. --Javp87 (talk) 22:44, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Americanised Negativity

First of all, the article has a very negative tone to it, and the entire spelling system is using American English. I believe this should reflect Jordan's culture and language, and thus the use of the local English spelling (British) and local writers instead of Americans.

My second point, Culture in Jordan has no emphasis, pro or anti homosexuality or sexuality for that matter of fact. This needs to be placed into the article.

Third, the HIV section is unnecessary. 92.253.77.163 (talk) 17:39, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

This comment makes me think you're not a "local" English speaker. Why not polishing up the English yourself? --Javp87 (talk) 22:44, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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