Talk:René-Robert Cavelier, Sieur de La Salle

Confusing Sentence

Thanks for the article... what's this sentence supposed to be?: "On the advice of Joliet, they went on to Sault Ste. Marie in an unsuccessful Potawatomis." krc 03:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Cleaning up

The last paragraph in the "First Expedition" section and the "Fort Frontenac" section are identical. I am deleting the second paragraph of the First Expedition section. I admit this does not really add much to the article, but duplication of this type looks highly unprofessional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.226.144.109 (talk) 17:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from Gjmokcb, 30 September 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Fort St. Louis was not located at today's Victoria, Texas. It was in Victoria county, Texas, southeast of Victoria, south of Inez, on Garcitas Creek, on a private ranch. The site has been excavated and determined precisely. Among many resources, see http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/stlouis/index.html. The Handbook of Texas article cited on the page, in print and online, is badly out of date and should not be used as a reference. See also Weddle, The Wreck of the Belle, the Ruin of LaSalle

Gjmokcb (talk) 16:00, 30 September 2010 (UTC)Jeff Morgenthaler

Gjmokcb (talk) 16:00, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Appears to be superseded by subsequent requests. Celestra (talk) 01:15, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Gjmokcb, 30 September 2010

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Sorry. I'll speak slowly.

(1) In second paragraph beneath subhead "final expeditions," delete "later the location of Victoria, Texas." Replace with "on Garcitas Creek in Victoria County, Texas."

(2) Delete footnote 9. Replace with "Texas Beyond History: Fort St. Louis," link is http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/stlouis/index.html

(3) Add external link to "Texas Beyond History: Fort St. Louis" at http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/stlouis/index.html

(4) Consider deleting external link to Handbook of Texas Online--the article is badly out of date.

Gjmokcb (talk) 16:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)Morgenthaler

Gjmokcb (talk) 16:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Partly done: Request 1 done. Requests 2-4 seem to have been superseded by yourself in your later request. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 01:50, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Gjmokcb, 30 September 2010

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Instead of deleting the reference to "Handbook of Texas Online" in note 9 and in external links, replace the existing (out of date) link with a link to this "replacement" article under the title "La Salle's Texas Settlement": http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/LL/uel7.html

THUSLY:

Footnote 9 should read: "The Handbook of Texas Online: La Salle's Texas Settlement" and the link should be http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/LL/uel7.html

The external link to "The Handbook of Texas Online: Renê Robert Cavelier Sieur de La Salle" should be deleted and replaced with "The Handbook of Texas Online: La Salle's Texas Settlement, linked to http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/LL/uel7.html

Gjmokcb (talk) 16:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Done Thanks, Stickee (talk) 01:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Cavelier meaning

The word "cavelier" is an alternate spelling that was used in Normandy for the French word "cavalier". "Cavalier" means horse rider and never meant knight... So I removed that mention JidGom (talk) 12:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I do not think so. Cavalier is a French word borrowed from Occitan cavalièr "knight", that replaced the word chevalier, step by step in different meanings, so the corresponding French word is chevalier and in Norman Quevalier / chevalier too. The surname Cavelier has another etymology "bartender", "innkeeper", "bar manager", it derives from Old Norman and Old Picard cavel " bar", "inn", "tavern". Nortmannus (talk) 10:26, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Marriage

The source about Cavelier de La Salle’s marital status is incorrect and can be found here (http://www.archive.org/details/dcouverteett02marg). The source in question is a letter written to a business associate 7 years before the death of de La Salle, and is therefore not a historical record of whether or not he married.

The reason he denies marriage is likely for business purposes. On page 88, he says that he has heard his associate was concerned about rumours of his marriage. De La Salle then says he will not pursue marriage until he is relinquished from his duties and that he finds it strange he must confirm something that is so obvious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdela06 (talk • contribs) 00:58, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Conflicts with La Salle Expeditions

The content in this article is in conflict with La Salle Expeditions. Which is correct? RedJ 17 (talk) 23:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

1. This article says he learned about the western rivers from the Mohawk. The La Salle Expeditions page says it was the Seneca.

The La Salle Expeditions article has been merged here, and the page now redirects here. La Salle learned about the Ohio River from the Seneca, whose territory extends into northeastern and eastern Ohio as well as the upper Ohio/Allegheny valley (Parkman, 1869). The Mohawk factoid is uncited, and ostensibly wrong. Sbalfour (talk) 00:02, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Final Expedition, Paragraph 4

I was recently in Victoria at the Coastal Bend Museum where numerous artifacts from the Belle (including 8 cannon) are on display. According to the museum's exhibits about Fort St Louis, all five of the kidnapped children were eventually recovered by the Spanish. I can't remember details enough to fix the article, but all but one was from the same family, and all but one were boys. Some of those children actually grew up to have careers in the Spanish military.

Sorry I don't remember more. All I can tell you is all but one boy were children of the same woman who gave birth during the voyage to North America. If you can find her name you can probably backtrack enough to expand and fix that section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.200.165.112 (talk) 22:06, 8 October 2012 (UTC) he was born in 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.144.177.117 (talk) 16:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

This article is a biography of one man, and essentially ends with his death. Such info would belong in an article about Navasota, Texas#History, or French colonization of Texas, not here. Sbalfour (talk) 17:05, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 April 2013

Spelling Issue: Niagua to Nicaragua. Typoseerock (talk) 02:41, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Not done: If you're referring to the word "Niagara", that's spelled correctly throughout. If not, please be more specific as to the change you're requesting. --ElHef (Meep?) 03:33, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 June 2013

I may make a mistake - break a rule - while entering this information. Please be patient with me.

Under the section entitled "La Griffon and Fort Miami," in the 4th paragraph ('Tonti arrives . . .') the sentence:

While he was gone, Louis Hennepin followed the Illinois River to its junction with the Mississippi. La Salle was captured by a Sioux war party and carried off to Minnesota.[citation needed] It should read (correction in caps): While he was gone, Louis Hennepin followed the Illinois River to its junction with the Mississippi. HENNEPIN was captured by a Sioux war party and carried off to Minnesota.[citation needed]

Citation: page 368-370: DESCRIPTION of LOUISIANA,By FATHER LOUIS HENNEPIN, RECOLLECT MISSIONARY. Translated from the Edition of 1683, and compared with the Novella Decouverte, The La Salle Documents and other Contemporaneous Papers, by John Gilmary Shea, New York: John G Shea, 1880. These pages, from a letter written by La Salle, verify that it was Father Hennepin, not La Salle who was captured by the Sioux (Nadoussian).

In 1699, Father Hennepin published his journals in a novella entitled,A New Discovery in a Vast New Country in America. His book was translated multiple times and with each translation came copycats and errors which ended with a number of critics believing the counterfeits and criticizing Father Hennepin. Mr. Shea documented the errors and disproved the critics, setting the record straight in the frier's favor.

Mr. Shae used a 1683 printing, I wrote 1699 because that is the date on my translation.

Posted by Karen Humeniuk

HopeHume (talk) 23:51, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I removed the following tagged text:

"Louis Hennepin followed the Illinois River to its junction with the Mississippi. La Salle was captured by a Sioux war party and carried off to Minnesota.".

It's not really important to the La Salle article, so I'll move the corrected text and the citation to the Hennepin article. WCCasey (talk) 07:12, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Seems to have been solved, closing Mdann52 (talk) 10:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Fort Wayne

In 1682 he departed from present-day Fort Wayne with 18 Indians and canoed down the Mississippi River.

— Since Fort Wayne, Ind., is about 200 miles east of the Mississippi, there seems to be something missing here. Sca (talk) 14:24, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

It was Fort Crevecoeur in Illinois. Fixed. Although the number in his company seema disputed. Rmhermen (talk) 19:56, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Nah, Fort Crevecoeur burned to the ground in April, 1680. He bivouaced at Fort Miami on the way, but this expedition really started at Fort Frontenac on the east side of Lake Ontario. Sbalfour (talk) 17:10, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Is it possible it was fort saint louis de rocher in or near starved rock? disregard, my mistake. it was built in 83 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emkay4597 (talk • contribs) 02:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Title needs explanation

I find the long name rather confusing. What does Sieur de La Salle mean? Derek Andrews (talk) 18:18, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Sieur is a title used in many French names of the period. Basically a title of respect. See http://www.yourdictionary.com/sieur. -- BC  _{talk to me} 19:40, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Done - see etymology section Sieur de La Salle. Sbalfour (talk) 15:48, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:René-Robert Cavelier, Sieur de La Salle/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

good umm i think you could make it a little more kid friendly because i am a kid and some of it is hard to understand.

Last edited at 02:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 04:10, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

We do try to make the encyclopedia accessible to a general audience. Much of the encyclopedia would require at least a middle school level of reading, however, and some articles are difficult to read even with a post-graduate college degree. To fix something, I need more specific information, like what section and paragraph are not understandable. Sbalfour (talk) 17:39, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2017

Under the heading legacy, on approximately the third line, a space needs to be added to LaSalle's to make it La Salle's. 45.36.59.193 (talk) 01:06, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done. I also corrected this same mistake in the caption on a nearby photo of a statue of La Salle. I didn't correct any further uses of LaSalle because they all appear to be proper names but of separate places and things from the explorer. This was a good catch; thank you for taking the time to work on this. CityOfSilver 01:11, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

LaSalle auto

According to LaSalle (automobile), that 1930s General Motors car was named for René-Robert de La Salle. This could be mentioned in the legacy section. Sca (talk) 15:07, 7 August 2018 (UTC) PS: In the '70s television show All In The Family, the opening theme song included the lyrics, "Gee, our old LaSalle ran great." Sca (talk) 15:07, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

This assertion is flagged as "Citation needed" in the car article, so we would run into the same problem here. So, find the reliable source and you can add the mention.-- BC  _{talk to me} 19:26, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Actually, I now see it's already mentioned in the list of places and things named for him. Sca (talk) 14:43, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Structure

The article is oddly structured and diverts focus. This man is known for one thing: a canoe trip traversing the lower Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico in 1682. That wasn't even mentioned in the lead (until I put it there), isn't evident from the section titles, and consumes only three sentences in the text. His stint at Ville Marie and the "Ohio" expedition of 1669-1670 aren't mentioned at all. Whether or not he reached the rapids of the Ohio, or anywhere on the Ohio, is not for us to decide, but the fact of the controversy cannot be avoided. The Family section is quaint, and too short and immaterial to command a level 2 section.

A better organization would be as follows:

• Early life
• The Ohio Expedition
• The Great Lakes Expeditions
• The Mississippi Expedition
• The Texas expedition

I don't think we emphasize that most of his 7 forts burned within only a few months - he mostly failed to establish the fur trading network he espoused.

Sbalfour (talk) 15:26, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Agreed.-- BC  _{talk to me}

Done. Sbalfour (talk) 00:06, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Blunders

The text says: In 1682 he departed Fort Crevecoeur with a group of Frenchmen and Indians and canoed down the Mississippi River There's everything wrong with that sentence. Fort Crevecoeur burned to the ground in April, 1680 and wasn't rebuilt until 1691. Its location is 210 miles northeast of the Mississippi River on another river - you can't just canoe down the Mississippi river directly from there. La Salle was already on the Mississippi River in 1682; it's a few months journey from the vicinity of Lake Michigan to the river, so he couldn't have started the expedition in 1682. Actually, in the fall of 1681, La Salle was in Fort Frontenac - that's a long way from Fort Crevecoeur (even though that's not on the expedition). The citation for that passage failed verification. Scholarship... ouch. Sbalfour (talk) 15:51, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

The text says, They founded a new Fort Saint-Louis, on Garcitas Creek... and it's supported by (2) citations. The sources correctly state that the settlement was NOT called "Fort St. Louis". How did this statement get there? 19th century historians needed a name for an unnamed fort, so they gave it one, more than 100 years after its demise. There aren't any period documents that use that name for it. La Salle's Fort St. Louis was on the Illinois River in north central Illinois. Sbalfour (talk) 16:20, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

The text says: The Mohawk told him of a great river, called the Ohio, which flowed into the Mississippi River. Thinking the river flowed into the Gulf of Mexico, he began to plan for expeditions to find a western passage to China. He got the info from the Seneca. The Mohawk lived along the seaboard in New York, and had never encountered the Ohio River. The Seneca territory extended to northern and eastern Ohio, and the Ohio Valley. Of course, it wasn't called the 'Ohio' by the Seneca - that was a Shawnee name. La Salle was told of a great river that flowed to the Vermillion Sea, what we call today the Gulf of California, and would constitute the fabled Northwest Passage to China. Well, the Seneca were wrong about where it flowed, because the mouth of the Mississippi is on the Gulf of Mexico, not the Vermillion Sea, though the Seneca probably didn't know that. The Mississippi wasn't discovered yet, and the Indians confounded it with the Ohio River; the combined river from somewhere south of the Great Lakes to the sea, was called the Colbert River by the French, which would have spanned parts of the Allegheny as well. La Salle wouldn't have been making plans to sail to China if he knew the mouth of the Colbert River was on the Gulf of Mexico, because there's no waterway from there to China. The passage needs redrafted as geography was understood at the time.

The text says, One ship was lost to pirates in the West Indies, a second sank in the inlets of Matagorda Bay, and a third ran aground there. There were 4 ships, including a French warship that returned safely to France, so the sentence makes it seem like no ship made it. Actually, La Belle made a safe landing and didn't run aground until 18 months later, in summer 1686.

Thanks for pointing out inaccuracies. Feel free to make any referenced/cited appropriate changes. Cheers.-- BC  _{talk to me} 18:21, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

External links

External links are supposed to be "official" websites sponsoring content related to the article. Government. museum or university history websites for example, in this case. I don't think any of the existing links are entirely appropriate. At least they're not blatently promotional. If they contain useful material, it should be integrated into the article and cited, so the links become references. If not, then delete the links. Sbalfour (talk) 18:38, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

List of place and object names

This is quite lengthy, similar to place names for Wayne (Gen. "Mad" Anthony Wayne). There are two such places in my city not on the list. There may be many dozens or even hundreds of such places not listed. Worse, none of them stand out, not like President Washington, Washington, DC, and State of Washington. And there's another famous La Salle, so are we quite certain all those places are names for Rene-Robert Cavelier? This has become a "me, too" list and needs to be managed or trimmed somehow. Sbalfour (talk) 19:45, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

I've deleted a statue, an elementary school, a neighborhood, and a college dormitory(?). I think the criteria to make the list should be: the item must have a wikipedia article, or be cited as a memorial to La Salle in a printed scholarly publication like a history or geography book. That'd cut about half the list right now. There's still dozens of places not on the list but meet the criteria - it'd get out of hand even so. For other than counties and cities, specifying that a city must be larger than 150,000 persons for a street, building, park or anything else there to be notable enough to make this kind of list, would also trim the current list by half.

The list is 1)towns and other political entities; 2)parks; 3)streets; 4)schools & other buildings; 5)objects; in just about that order of significance. Maybe we need to cut the list somewhere in the 'streets' category - i.e., for a street to make the list, it should be generally known outside the neighborhood of the street. There's just too many schools, buildings, businesses, museums, etc named La Salle to list here. Sbalfour (talk) 21:49, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Forts of La Salle

This would be the lead article for describing the forts of La Salle, of which there were quite a few, so I though I'd enumerate them, to make sure they're covered in the text.

• Fort Cataraqui, renamed Fort Frontenac July 1673 St. Lawrence River at Lake Ontario, Ontario, Canada; rebuilt in 1675; abandoned in 1688, razed in 1689
• Fort Conti (Niagara) early (Jan.?) 1679 on Niagara River at Lake Ontario, New York; burned in Nov. 1679
• Fort Miamis Nov. 1679 on St. Joseph River in Michigan; destroyed by Nov. 1680; rebuilt by Jan. 1681
• Fort Crevecoeur Jan. 1680 on Illinois River in Illinois; destroyed April, 1680
• Fort Prudhomme spring 1682 on Mississippi River in west Tennessee; abandoned after 10 days
• Fort St. Louis winter 1682-1683 on Illinois River in Illinois
• fort at Texas settlement summer 1685 near modern Inez, Texas; destroyed by Indians in 1688

new lead

The lead is little more than a dictionary definition. It should be an overview of his life. Here's my take:

Rene-Robert Cavelier, Sieur de La Salle, usually shortened to 'La Salle', (November 22, 1643 – March 19, 1687) was a 17th century French explorer and fur trader in North America. He was born in 1643 in Rouen, France of a wealthy family and studied to be a Jesuit missionary. After failing as a Jesuit, La Salle came to Ville-Marie (the current site of Montreal) in the Canada colony of New France in 1666 where he established a land grant settlement, Lachine.

In 1669, he sold his land holdings to finance an expedition to find a river the Iroquois said led cross country to a great sea, the fabled Northwest Passage. The historical record of the expedition was lost, but the evidence does not indicate La Salle made it beyond the land of the Senecas around Lake Erie. In 1679-80 during expeditions to the lower Great Lakes, he built a series of short lived forts and a ship, Le Griffon, which sank on its maiden voyage, in an abortive attempt to establish a fur trading network.

In 1682, in the expedition for which he is famous, starting from Fort Frontenac on the St. Lawrence Seaway, he circumnavigated the Great Lakes by canoe to Fort Miamis at the mouth of the Miami River (now St. Joseph River) on Lake Michigan, thence across the lake and up the Chicago river, portaged to the Illinois River and down that river to the Mississippi River finally arriving at the Gulf of Mexico, claiming the Mississippi River basin for France.

He thence returned to France to equip a fleet to establish a colony at the mouth of the Mississippi. In 1685, the fleet crossed the Atlantic; La Salle mis-navigated, missed the mouth of the Mississippi on the Gulf Coast and after losing most of the fleet, landed on the lower southeast coast of Texas. After establishing a small colony and several forays inland to locate the Mississippi, he was murdered by his own men in 1687. The colony was later lost to the Indians.

La Salle's legacy was the discovery of a water route from the St. Lawrence Seaway to the southern coast facilitating trade and domination of New France over the territory east of the Mississippi. It was the end result of the search for the Northwest Passage. With respect to the oft-made claim that La Salle was the first European to see the Ohio River and sometimes the Mississippi River, it is certain that Joliet and Marquette preceded him to the Mississippi in 1673-74, and history does not record that La Salle ever set foot in the Ohio Valley.

Heck, that's a more informative and succinct narrative than the whole article. Sbalfour (talk) 23:51, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Legacy

The text says: La Salle's major legacy was establishing the network of forts from Fort Frontenac to outposts along the Great Lakes, Illinois and Mississippi rivers that came to define French territorial, diplomatic and commercial policy for almost a century..., Not one of his 7 forts survived past 1688. A couple were replaced later, sometimes much later, with new forts with different names at the same or nearby locations but saying La Salle's legacy was this abortive string of forts is revisionist history. And anyway, the forts were built in 1679-80, and New France surrendered to Britain in 1760, so it was 80 years, and that's not generally a century...

The text says: His efforts to encompass modern-day Ontario and the eight American states that border the Great Lakes became a foundational effort in defining the Great Lakes region. That statement is as expansive as it is meaningless. There's no evidence La Salle was ever in Minnesota, Ohio or Pennsylvania (and he was only on the border of Wisconsin, once). I'm not sure what 'foundational effort' is - minus New York and Pennsylvania, those states became the Northwest Territory a century later but they remained the wilderness of Ohio Country and Illinois Country for that century, so geopolitically, his expeditions were naught. His chief contribution was ostensibly hydrography and cartography of the Great Lakes and Mississippi basin areas.

After splitting out the cluttery place names and modern salvage operations, then deleting vague puffery, there's little of substance left here. So let's try again:

La Salle's main historical contribution was pioneering a water route from the St. Lawrence Seaway in the northeast to the southern coast, the practical outcome of the search for the fabled Northwest Passage. This later provided a trade and export route between the French colonies in Quebec and the south (i.e. New Orleans in 1718), extending nominal French domination over the Mississippi Valley as least east of the river. He also added considerably to colonial knowledge of the hydrography and cartography of the lower Great Lakes region. Geopolitically, his fur trading established a long lasting French-Indian alliance that held the Iroquois threat as well as British influence and settlement at bay until the mid-18th century. And he contributed obliquely the name of the Territory and State of Louisiana for King Louis XIV.

I think that's fair, not voluble, and rather more to the point than what's there. His forts didn't survive his death, and played no role in what follows. And actually establishing a fur trading network was left to others. Sbalfour (talk) 23:36, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Ohio expedition

The article lacked any mention whatsoever of this expedition undertaken in July 1669-1670. It is one of two things he is known for: traversing the Mississippi River to the Gulf of Mexico, and the debate about whether he shall be credited with discovering the Ohio River. So I added a section heading for it, and didn't want to leave an empty section or some yahoo might come along and delete it, so I filled in a few factoids using Parkman (1869) as the authority. Now I'm going to make a scholarly and complete exposition of the "lost" expedition, but sandbox it before publishing it. It starts 10 years before any of the forts or ships were built (excepting Frontenac in 1673), and before his extensive fur trading network was established, so there was nothing out there. Joliet and Marquette had already mapped some of the upper Great Lakes area. In early 1669, La Salle had sold his Signeurial grant at La Chine to finance the expedition. Sbalfour (talk) 21:36, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Some place, it will be appropriate to note that Dutchman Arnout Viele, a trader from New York, was the first whiteman to see the Ohio River in 1692.

Sources

• Parkman, Francis La Salle and the discovery of the great West 1869
• Hanna, Charles Wilderness Trail, 1911
• Dupre, Celine Dictionary of Canadian Biography, Rene-Robert Cavelier de La Salle, 1966, revised 2015
• Some La Salle Journeys Jean Delanglez, 1938
• Alvord, Clarence Centennial history of Illinois, 1922
• Krauskopf, Francis The Documentary Basis for La Salle's Supposed Discovery of the Ohio, In Indiana Magazine of History, Vol. 47, Issue 2, June, 1951
• Pierre Margry's Découvertes et établissements des Français dans l’ouest et dans le sud de l'Amérique Septentrionale, 1614-1754, (6 vols., Paris, 1876-1886);
• Shea, John Gilmary The Bursting of Pierre Margry's La Salle Bubble, 1879

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2019

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La Salle claimed the Missippi River in 1684. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.54.218.17 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Source?-- BC  _{talk to me} 22:10, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NiciVampireHeart 07:48, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2019

i want to add some more detalles about is expeditions 159.191.130.254 (talk) 18:46, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. aboideau^talk 18:49, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2019

I will like to add more info to this. 135.0.102.159 (talk) 13:01, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2019

Do you think seized should be changed to ceased or deceased? Tacovolcanoes123 (talk) 17:58, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: "Seized with a fever" is a valid, if archaic, way of saying "developed a fever". It is used correctly here. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:30, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2020

he had one child 71.230.125.27 (talk) 15:39, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:49, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Still part of the claim for France

Although I find "the existing historical evidence does not indicate that La Salle ever reached the Ohio/Allegheny Valley", that area would still be part of LaSalle's claim of the Mississippi, because the Ohio empties into the Mississippi. Right? This helped lead to French and Indian War, because pushing west in Pennsylvania would have come into conflict with that French claim. Carlm0404 (talk) 01:03, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Education

The Education system in the 1650s 174.193.85.235 (talk) 22:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

There weren't established educational institutions in New France in the 1670's - it was mostly wilderness. What do you intend here? If you are unable to edit the article, put some text here. The primary criteria is that you have a WP:RS. Sbalfour (talk) 23:07, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

2nd and 3rd expeditions

There's an annoying discontinuity between the last paragraph of section Great Lakes forts and the first paragraph of section Mississippi expedition. Where did they get to inbetween? And what happened to inspire the next expedition? There's about 18 months of missing history (I think) here.

I think the break is between "La Salle set off on foot for Fort Frontenac for supplies. While he was gone, the soldiers at Ft. Crevecoeur, led by Martin Chartier, mutinied, destroyed the fort, and exiled Tonti, whom he had left in charge." and the next paragraph, "The group later..." Yeh, more than a bit later... how did La Salle get back to somewhere south of Lake Michigan? Fort Frontenac is at the extreme northeast end of Lake Ontario, about 700 miles as the crow flies (i.e. months there and months back, alone). Yo? Sbalfour (talk)

Fate of the Texas colony

The text insinuates that there were no survivors. There were 15 known (some unnamed) survivors in 1690: 6 made it back to France, 2 left journals, 4 had roles in later Texas and New Mexico settlement; 4 children were later rescued from the Indians by the Spanish, among other documented events. The text that Tonti found no survivors is true but deceptive: the survivors were prisoners of the Indians or had fled north. 50.53.40.217 (talk) 16:20, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2023

Underneath "Place Names" - Cities and Towns In the city of Niagara Falls, NY - LaSalle is the name of a the entire East section of town; between the boundaries East/West of 47th and 102nd street, and North/West boundaries of Buffalo Ave. & Niagara Falls Boulevard

• Also

Underneath "Parks and Streets" LaSalle Avenue in Niagara Falls, NY begins at 11th Street and runs all the way to Hyde Park Boulevard. 2600:1017:B102:424A:B4C4:5A21:FD32:E8C9 (talk) 13:19, 2 December 2023 (UTC)  Not done Please resubmit your request with a “Please change X to Y” format.

References

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2024

Please change the link to Fort Saint-Louis (Texas) in the third paragraph under "Mississippi expedition" to just Fort St. Louis, as it mentions the Fort St Louis at Starved Rock which was in Illinois, not Texas, (a fort Saint-Louis there would be founded later in 1685).

Reynard1300 (talk) 03:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)