Talk:Labialization/Archive 1

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Can one labialize a labial? -Iopq 10:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Some analyses of Adyghe postulate the phoneme /pʷʼ/. There are also labialised labials in the Australian language Arrernte. Thefamouseccles 03:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, labial consonants generally involve a vertical lip moovment; secondary labialization a horizontal moovment. These can certainly be combined. Phonemic labialized labials also appear in eg. Kabyle language and various Austronesian languages. --Tropylium (talk) 11:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

British or American?

Is Wikipedia fundamentally British or American? If British, then it needs to be consistently -isation, -ised, -ise, etc. in this article. If American, then -ization, etc. Right now, it's just a mix in this article. (Of course I prefer -ize since it's borrowed from Greek -iz originally and the British misspell it.) (Taivo (talk) 23:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC))

Source for Abkhaz

Hewitt, George and Khiba, Zaira. Abkhaz Newspaper Reader. Dunwoody Press (Kensington, MD), 1998. pp iii-v --Foszter (talk) 19:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Sound examples

Well how about adding sound examples for each labialized consonants, like this :

• labialized glottal stop [ʔʷ] (Listen) (in Adyghe, Kabardian, Lao, Tlingit).--Adamsa123 (talk) 19:08, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Sound file

labialized voiceless palato-alveolar sibilant [ʃʷ] doesn't work. --2.245.126.182 (talk) 19:31, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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Removed

For [cʷ], Lao was the only example language given, and there was no sound file. Lao language says that Lao has no palatal plosives; instead of [c] and [cʷ], it has [tɕ] and [tɕʷ]. Given how very often postalveolar affricates are mistranscribed as palatal plosives, I'm strongly inclined to believe the article, and have therefore removed the whole line about [cʷ] from the list here.

For [ʃʷ] and [ʒʷ], German was listed among the examples. The German /ʃ/ is indeed more strongly rounded than the English one; for many speakers it's in fact the most lip-rounded sound of all, because the rounded vowels are made with compressed rounding. However, it's still nowhere near as rounded as, say, an Italian or Abkhaz /kʷ/. I've accordingly removed it from the examples given for [ʃʷ]. The IPA offers diacritics for "more rounded" and "less rounded". – Few if any native German speakers maintain a /ʒ/; attempts to produce [ʒ] in French loans occur, but tend to fail even in the northern varieties that have a robust /z/. That makes two reasons to remove German from the list of examples for [ʒʷ].

David Marjanović (talk) 22:23, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Link to languages' phonology articles

I think that each entry, in the language lists at «§Examples» section, must link to the article on the phonology of the language, instead of to the article on the language (e.g., Italian instead of Italian); because, since the listing criterion is based on having certain phonological feature, it will be better explained in the article about the language's phonology. -- 179.214.17.192 (talk) 02:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Speech therapy chart

I removed a chart of children's speech development that said Labial harmony may be confused with labialization. Therefore, investigators need to determine whether or not the target consonant changes to a labial in contexts lacking a labial.. While this is very informative, the definition of labialization being used in that speech therapy lesson is wholly different from what we are talking about here, and as much as I appreciate the work put into it I think the article is better off without it as it may confuse readers unfamiliar with the subject. However, we could perhaps put it on speech disorders, speech acquisition, or both. —Soap— 19:40, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

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Russian does have slight rounding

"while Russian does not have slight rounding in its postalveolar fricatives" Russian has slightly labialized ʂ, ʐ and non-labialized ɕ, ʑ. Source: "[ʂ, ʐ] tend to be slightly labialised even in the context of unrounded vowels" pg. 223 ILLUSTRATIONS OF THE IPA Russian (2015). We need a better example than Russian. Serios3723 (talk) 15:44, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2022

I would like to add more labialized phonemes to the 73 existing ones. 2601:C6:C580:6B20:69BF:8DF2:D01F:884C (talk) 01:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Here are the phonemes that I want you to add: /pˤʷ bˤʷ cʷ ɟʷ ɢˤʷ ⁿdʷ ᵑɡʷ ɡ͡bʷ t͡sʷ d͡zʷ ɓʷ ɗʷ ɠʷ ʛʷ p̪͡fʷ fˤʷ ʝʷ t͡ɬʷ ɦʷ ʎʷ/ 2601:C6:C580:6B20:69BF:8DF2:D01F:884C (talk) 02:10, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. There needs to be sourcing for this, as well as the details included with other phonemes on the page. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:39, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Removing examples?

Remember Hamza Ali Shah? He reverted my edit where I removed tons of examples in the “Examples” section because it was vandalism. 2601:C6:C580:6B20:AC54:C791:66BE:C0EE (talk) 07:10, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I want only /kʷ ɡʷ xʷ ɣʷ ʍ w/ (labialised velars only) and I could maybe remove less? 2601:C6:C580:6B20:AC54:C791:66BE:C0EE (talk) 07:21, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

There is zero reason to remove examples. All 73 examples of labialized phonemes are welcome on this page, and should remain here — whether you personally "want" them or not. -- Womtelo (talk) 12:45, 27 June 2022 (UTC).

Maybe sort them into a table? 2601:C6:C580:6B20:AC54:C791:66BE:C0EE (talk) 15:37, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2022

I would like to add more labialized phonemes to the 73 existing ones. 2601:C6:C580:6B20:69BF:8DF2:D01F:884C (talk) 01:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Here are the phonemes that I want you to add: /pˤʷ bˤʷ cʷ ɟʷ ɢˤʷ ⁿdʷ ᵑɡʷ ɡ͡bʷ t͡sʷ d͡zʷ ɓʷ ɗʷ ɠʷ ʛʷ p̪͡fʷ fˤʷ ʝʷ t͡ɬʷ ɦʷ ʎʷ/ 2601:C6:C580:6B20:69BF:8DF2:D01F:884C (talk) 02:10, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. There needs to be sourcing for this, as well as the details included with other phonemes on the page. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:39, 28 June 2022 (UTC)