Talk:Lady Eleanor Smith

Ancestry

What source puts the article in the "British people of Romani descent" category? Seems a conjectural connection that may have instead been "traveller" (i.e. "Irish Traveller") and not related to the Romani people. Are there any sources? Thanks PGPaulson 21:55, 22 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PGPaulson (talk • contribs)

Requested move 25 June 2018

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The result of the move request was: page moved. I'm working on the disambiguation. wbm1058 (talk) 03:51, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

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Eleanor Smith → Eleanor Smith (writer) – No primary topic. The politician challenges her now. Unreal7 (talk) 21:57, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

• Support but move Eleanor Smith (politician) to the plain title as the WP:primary topic. [1] Otherwise it makes little difference. Station1 (talk) 22:28, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

When Station1 are you going to read the Primary Topic guideline? In ictu oculi (talk) 07:49, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

It's fairly straightforward. When one topic consistently gets a significant majority of pageviews over other topics that share the same name, as here, that is objective evidence that it is the primary topic for Wikipedia's purposes. By putting that topic at the base name, with appropriate hatnotes, we make it slightly easier for some searchers to navigate to the topic they are looking for. Substituting editors' subjective judgment as to what they think should be the primary topic should be done only in rare cases. If we make Eleanor Smith a dab page, no one looking for the politician is any better off than they are now, and in fact a very small number looking for the writer would worse off. Station1 (talk) 17:04, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

• Support. There should be a dab page at the base term since neither article is a clear primary topic. —Xezbeth (talk) 07:21, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support per @Xezbeth: so Move Eleanor Smith (disambiguation) to baseline (this should have been a multimove template Unreal7) significant English writer but the composer is also significant in America. Politician is a fly by. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:49, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support per nomination, Xezbeth and In ictu oculi. No WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:03, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move 30 September 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 11:56, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

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Eleanor Smith (writer) → Lady Eleanor Smith – WP:COMMONNAME: as an author she was known as Lady Eleanor Smith, not Eleanor Smith. WP:TITLESINTITLES applies to styles like "The Right Honourable" and not to titles like Lord and Lady; see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#British nobility paragraph 5. Opera hat (talk) 16:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose, per WP:HONORIFIC. 3K008P9 (talk) 18:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

a) Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Honorific titles is not a relevant guideline as it governs the content of articles, not article titles.

b) Even if it were relevant, it specifically notes titles like Lord and Lady as exceptions which should be included. Opera hat (talk) 09:13, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• I forgot to mention that natural disambiguation is preferable to parenthetical disambiguation; see WP:ATDAB. Opera hat (talk) 09:13, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per WP:NCPEER #5. Quite clearly laid down. WP:HONORIFIC does not apply to article titles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:56, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support using the WP:NATURALDAB -2pou (talk) 04:52, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nomination, Necrothesp and 2pou. Lady Eleanor Smith is also a pen name in the same manner as Baroness Orczy, which was accepted as a proper main title header at the recent Talk:Baroness Orczy#Requested move 29 September 2020. Here, here, here and here are covers of some of the books authored by Lady Eleanor Smith. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

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