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Reviewer: Patriot8790 (talk) 15:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC) I think that it has got anything that it needs to be a good article. It has got references, correct syntax and spelling, I think that it could be a good article. Thank you, --Patriot8790 (talk) 15:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Umm...I picked this up but I note the above. Nevermind. I'll jot some notes below: Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:11, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

She soon signed with Streamline Records, an imprint of Interscope Records. - what's an imprint?

Imprint here means a trade name under which a work is published. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

"' She began performing in the rock music scene of New York City's Lower East Side and enrolled at New York University's Tisch School of the Arts. - a date after the last words would be good.

Added. It was 2003. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

''the eldest child of Joseph Germanotta, an Italian American, and Cynthia Bissett - do we know their occupations at all? It would help in giving her origin some context.

Germanotta was a businessman, in the internet world and Bissett is a housewife/homemaker. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

At age 17, Germanotta gained early admission to the New York University's Tisch School of the Arts. - ditto in body of text.

You meant date? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

yes. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:19, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Germanotta lived in a NYU dorm on 11th Street but felt that she was more creative than some of her classmates - the "but" sits oddly here. Living in a NYU dorm on 11th Street, Germanotta felt she was more creative than some of her classmates"

This has been rephrased totally. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Better. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:19, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

...on the condition that she re-enroll for Tisch, if she was unsuccessful. - comma unneeded here.

Removed. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

"'After three months, she was dropped from Def Jam - I'd flip to "she was dropped by the label after three months" - actually do we know why?

We don't know why. She was just unceremoniously dumped. Rephrased the lines. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Fiona Apple–esque - bit informal - was the band widely compared thus?

They composed ballads, which were influenced by Fiona's music. But you are right, thats one POV, hence removed. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

LES is Lower East Side I presume. I hadn't seen the acronym before and would probably have it unabbreviated myself.

Unabbreviated. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

She began taking drugs soon after, while performing at burlesque shows - begs the question, what sort, and what sort of burlesque she was doing.

References suggest neo-burlesque. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Still more info would be good, but if we don't have the sources we don't have the sources - experimenting could mean anything from a few joints to 3 months of heroin really. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:19, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Her father did not understand the reason behind her drug addiction and could not look at her for several months - drug use does not equal addiction. Are there other details refuting/confirming/clarifying?

Rephrased. The clarity should be there now. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

(The New York Post, however, has reported that this story is incorrect, and that the name resulted from a marketing meeting.) - no need for parentheses here - should be in main flow of prose.

Removed parentheses. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

She said that shes "already written the core of it" and that "it's certainly my best work to date." - this one can be rephrased to avoid direct quotes. I try and restrict quotes to significant ones that really can't be stated any other way or are in themselves memorable.

Rephrased to neutrality. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Gaga has stated that she is "very into fashion" and that it is "everything" to her - ditto

Rephrased. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Are there any reliable sources discussing/confirming/refuting plastic surgery such as a nose job?

You lost me now. I don't even remember reading any gossip about any nose job, beside the "hermy-dick" rumours. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Just google and you can see some of the stuff. I'll have another look too. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:24, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

LOL. All gossip like the hermy dick thing. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. And even Gaga herself has denied having surgery: "I don't judge anyone that has plastic surgery. I myself am too chickenshit to do it." See this video (skip to 1:15). –Chase (talk) 04:01, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

The default position in hollywood is to deny surgery/botox/etc. but nevertheless if there has been no discussion in a reliable source it can be dropped. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:56, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

In the Musical style and influences section, I think a little more should be added about some of the outfits and performances - the one she did 'paparazzi' with some blood spattered costume which caused a stir last year (and has done again?) Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:24, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

ADding it. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Better. I still think something about pushing the limits of taste would be good if you could source it. I think she's done the blood thing a couple of times now? Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:04, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Added quiet a bit about the bloody performance in Britain, which faced real opposition, that i believe had to be pushing the limits of taste. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Nice work. The episode is an example of her pushing the limits. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:56, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Blame Casliber for my being here. But I hope you'll take my suggestions positively. Consider these pre-FA comments:

• Her father did not understand the reason behind her drug intake and could not look at her for several months What did she look like? Was it her physical appearance or her shows? I saw her in an interview saying her folks were in the audience when she was wearing a bikini and an American Indian headdress lighting hairspray on fire and they were kind of at a loss as to what that was all about. (Imagine that.) Did she quit taking drugs? I think most folks assume she's fairly high when she wears what she does.
  • Couldnot look at her in the sense that he stopped talking to her, turn his back to her. She eventually quit for this reason. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
    • The information about her father being shocked by the shows would be an interesting read and would provide more understanding about why he couldn't look at her. You could source this article from Oprah Winfrey's website. –Chase (talk) 03:56, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
• Numbers within the same sentence should be consistent, either spelled out or used as numerals. See the ages in the 2nd sentence.
• Surely there is a reliable source in a completely neutral publication that refers to her astonishingly fast meteoric rise to fame, aptly, as The Fame was released. A topic sentence at the beginning of 2008–present: The Fame and The Fame Monster would be appropriate. Something like, "Whoa, who's Lady Gaga and how did she get to be such a household name in less than a year?"
  • Documenting. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Edit: I think the meteoritic rise to fame is better documented in the musical style and image section. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
• I've heard rumors, mainly spread by me, that she put crack cocaine in the video for Bad Romance to get viewers addicted. Any reliable sources? No? Just me? Ok...
  • LOL. You are damned but welcome in Gaga hell. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
• Her admission on Jonathan Ross that she has a "great big donkey dick" is truly, truly one of the most hilarious things I've seen all year. You might want to say that she became so tired of the rumors that she facetiously admitted it. I bet folks are coming here believing it because they cannot discern subtlety and sarcasm.
  • I think it is the same reason that utterly ugly word "hermy" and "donkey dick" are removed from the article. Its just pure speculation, trashy and a basic lack of human dignity of editors who endorsed the addition. I believe that the Barbara Walters interview is mildly putting all rumours to rest and is perfect. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
• The same mashup of information to make the paragraphs lack cohesion is showing up in 2008–present: The Fame and The Fame Monster as it did in Madonna.
  • Working on! --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
• I took out "a lot". I used to tell my students never to use "things", "stuff", and "a lot" in their writing. They're too vague and generic.
  • Wonderful. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
• This article is, like...number 9 of the most accessed on the entire Wikipedia site (after "search" and "Wikipedia"). Do you intend to get this to FA? If so, let me assert my belief that you must be high, mainly for the maintenance issues. I do have concerns that she is so new to the public eye that there is not a lot of information written about her life and music for the article to be FA quality. Although the article appears to be comprehensive to what is available, the problem is that what is available is not comprehensive. Maybe I'm jumping the gun here. Let me know. --Moni3 (talk) 15:23, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I am not hugely worried about the last point, as long as we do include what has been published thus far. She is only in her early twenties and we can only go with what has been published to date. This is still quite a bit longer than many successful FACs I have produced. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

PS: I think Moni3's points are good - i was trying to give it a real shove toward FAC :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry guys I'm a little late as I was on vacation after the tremendous task of promoting Madonna to FA. Phew! Moni3's comments are always a true delight for me after his astounding commentary regarding the Madonna article's FAC. But I do not plan to nominate Lady Gaga for FA candidacy soon, as you guys say, its just too early and too much of nitty-gritty fancruft additions going on. I will get to work on your comments now. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:19, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Heh. I'm a dude... --Moni3 (talk) 12:56, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

That's what I referred to you as *confused* --Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not a dude. It's been a while since someone referred to me as such. I was just surprised...Carry on. --Moni3 (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh god, I apologize profusely, bows head in Wiki-shame :( --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes! Shame! You are not ashamed enough! More shame! Ok that got boring fast. No problems. As I said, carry on. --Moni3 (talk) 13:50, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Heh, my original impression of Awadewit was an older british male academic...and then I found she was (a) younger (b) American, and (c) female. :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:48, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Lol. Was that dream come true? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 07:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Never thought of it like that. Anyway, back to the article...wow, trying to keep up with the edits is a challenge. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:44, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

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Pass or Fail: - okay, ultimately, I think we have a good solid article here at present. I agree that some commentary over the speed of her rise to fame and more details on family/early life and relationships would be good to really give the article a good crack at FA one day, but this is a good staging point for the time being. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)