Talk:Lake Country

hatnote

Shouldn't maybe the well-known Lake District of the UK be included in the hatnote?Skookum1 (talk) 06:42, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I added this just now, and its Tasmanian cousin, to the Lake District disambiguation page.Skookum1 (talk) 06:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

?? re "previously unincorporated"

Re "previously unincorporated communities of Winfield, Okanagan Centre, Oyama, and Carr's Landing" I'm pretty sure that Winfield was a Village Municipality, maybe Oyama too.....Skookum1 (talk) 03:06, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

The whole area was unincorporated, and part of the (then) CORD Area A. (I was living there at the time, and recall the situation, though I imagine the letters of incorporation would provide documentary proof). Vortigern (talk) 16:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

K, I just thought I remember hearing of Winfield, at least, as a village with a mayor e.g. "the mayor of Winfield" seems like I've heard it before, ditto "the village of Winfield".....nothing in BC Names about this, so I'll leave the subject. There are other places that seem to have been municipal in the past, e.g. Dewdney, that are not mentioned as such in BC Names; and of course the Boundary Country and Slocan have a slew of towns that once had populations and governments but do no longer. For work in this area it's probably necessary to haul out an old provincial directory, the kind published privately that lists businesses and towns etc. Oyama, Carr's and OK Centre I realize weren't, Winfield strikes me as having been one at some point in the past. But I'm not from the area as you are, so....00:56, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, I see what you're driving at. I would be pretty surprised if Winfield had been incorporated historically, and lost that status, partly because it never had a concentrated town centre in the way that some of the mining towns did. Also, I've seen older maps of the area, and they tend to show multiple separate communities in the Winfield area (e.g., Oceola, Woodsdale, Winfield). That said, if anywhere had some kind of earlier municipal organization, Okanagan Centre would be the best candidate. Because it could be accessed by steamers on Okanagan Lake, it was the first area in Lake Country to be surveyed and settled (at least by Europeans). I don't recall seeing evidence that it was ever incorporated - but I'm willing to be corrected! Vortigern (talk) 08:15, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

had forgotten about Oceola, that's a familiar name; maybe was on old highways maps. As for first surveyed, by the time the steamers were on the lake the lands allotment had been laid out; but probably not much subdivided. There were really only ranches prior to the coming of the railway, other than Indian towns and the Mission (if it was still there?); natural that anywhere that had a landing would boom once the rails were brought in, and especially since passenger service got routed around the Fraser Canyon and a link was needed between Penticton and Sicamous; the Steamboats of Lake Okanagan article needs expansion, for sure, also an article on the Hotel Incola which I don't have the resources on hand to write; not sure what was at Okanagan Landing or other spots but must have been a few lodges of some kind; OK history is its whole unique bag, you're aware of the Okanagan Historical Association's Quarterly, I guess? If not back copies in libraries, especially in the university libraries and I'd think in the museums/archives......and yeah you're probably right re farming/ranching vs mining towns; though most mining towns founded in later years tended to be company towns like Bralorne or Camp McKinney and Copper Mountain-Allenby which were never municipal; Wells is a company town that eventually incorporated.Skookum1 (talk) 12:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Lillooet is the oldest town in the Southern Interior other than maybe Lytton, but Lytton was never as big (Ft McLeod and Ft St James and others are older of course, but that's up north) and it wasn't incorporated, I think, until well after WWII....not sure when actually. Bennett years I'd say, same with Clinton which is also very old (older than Ashcroft but it's old too); RDs were "invented" in 1966-67, regional government was often by the Government Agent, a tradition which goes back to the all-powerful Gold Commissioners who were kinda regional governments, not sure how long that lasted, maybe into the Coalition; could be local informal councils existed, and/or older incorporations, that were subsumed into the RDs at the time, all I remember was Bennett created them to prevent a replay of the Lower Mainland Regional Planning Board, which was broken up when they didn't go for his freeway and suburbanization plans, the idea of hte RDs was to make them inherently weak and tied to the municipal councils, instead of having planning power above them.Skookum1 (talk) 13:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

[outdent] it's also why the boundaries of MoF regions/districts, MoE regions, Health regions etc don't match up; to prevent the development of strong regional power bases and keep things centralized through the ministries in Victoria; so you have all these overlapping jurisdictions; the one exception are the Development Regions, which are composites of regional districts in their capacity as census areas.Skookum1 (talk) 13:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Strikes me that there's a lot of history yet to be written about BC communities - both on Wikipedia, as well as scholarly and popular publications. I'm out of province these days, which makes acquiring resources very difficult, otherwise I might have a go! Re: steamers and Okanagan Centre, individual lots there are narrow, and perpendicular to the lake, reflecting an early date of subdivision. As you say, ranches in the area would have been surveyed earlier. Re: RDs, I quite believe WAC organized them mainly to suit his own ends. There is a bit of material available online about how they were established, but I wonder if those accounts are sanitized.... Vortigern (talk) 15:56, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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