Talk:Lampião

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Possible NPOV

But in fact he was only a rural bandit (in his own admission) who lasted too long. Is this NPOV? He became hero only because the brazilian lefthish found it, i fact he was a bandit.Can a hero, rape, steel, kill ? --Abu Badali 17:51, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)

It is my suspicion that the raping and killing could be the way of the establishment to discredit him. Why would people write folk songs about a rapist? -Ayeroxor (talk) 23:19, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Replaced copypaste tag

While some of the prose sounds archaic, I could not find any evidence of copyvio by googling. I also tried searching for some of the spelling errors in earlier versions of the article, since those have been corrected. So I replaced the tag with refimprove and added a ref.[1] In addition to Chandler, there are several Portuguese language refs listed here. --Jtir (talk) 19:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Link

Hello. Just a small link: Awesome Bandits of Brail's Northeast—Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.92.89.253 (talk) 14:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Various spellings of subject's given name

Many folk songs spell it Virgolino, and the presumably authentic bill posted in this article also uses this spelling, so why is this article spelling it Virg'U'lino?

His baptismal name was Virgolino Ferreira da Silva, but the police records of the time call him Virgulino Ferreira da Silva for sheer lack of information, because nobody dared to go ask him for his documents of course !!! In some regions of Brazil, like mine, "O" is pronounced "U" like Armarinho (Armarinhu) and Botija (Butija). I'd have to go back to grammar to give you a proper explanation about "Brazilian" language. Krenakarore ^TK 14:08, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. So do you agree that the spelling should be his birth name, and not just what people wrote when they didn't know how to spell it? - Ayeroxor (talk) 23:20, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't do that ! It's also a dialetical matter. It's common for us to pronounce Riu di Jane'ro instead of Rio de Janeiro, Saun Paulu instead of Sao Paulo. That's why Virgulino and not Virgolino. His name is written according to pronunciation and not spelling. Believe me, Virgulino is the way that his name is presented in our literature...:) It has absolutely nothing to do with a baptismal name ! But anyway, if U insist... got it ? Krenakarore ^TK 19:30, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

His parents were illiterate, so the spelling of his name would be down to the whim of the beaurocrat who recorded his birth. He signed the notes he wrote, "Capitão Virgulino".

This article makes way too many comparisons

I feel as if this article (along with the Maria Bonita article) make way too many comparisons with similar historical figures and events from other places. They don't appear necessary to me, and it seems to be written from an american point of view. Maybe a more neutral approach could be achieved by simply describing how they were, to call a spade a spade. JamesSolterre (talk) 17:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I vehemently disagree, I wrote 80%+ of the article and I am in fact British. In Anglophone countries there is very little known and understood about the widescale banditry endemic to Brasil in the early twentieth century. As prominent as Lampião was and is in the Brasilian psyche and culture he is almost unknown outside Brasil. Therefore, comparisons to bandit figures that are well known in the rest of the world are useful in establishing the importance and notoriety of the subject of this article, and the Maria Bonita article. I am not in the habit of including things in the articles I edit that are not germane. Besides, the remarks in the lead are a direct citation of remarks in the only biography in English of Lampião, and as such have direct support from a prominent secondary source. Urselius (talk) 10:32, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

A few comparisons, specially to Robin Hood, are harmless (I speak this as a Brazilian). Still, I wouldn't count on Jesse James and Pancho Villa being well known to the rest of the world, and I would count less on him being an "equivalent" of these. This article, as previously stated, seems to have been written from an American pov.

You can just call a spade a spade (i. e., calling him a bandit or a noble outlaw) and people will understand. JamesSolterre (talk) 10:58, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Robin Hood is of uncertain reality, other bandits are definitely real. I maintain that the comparisons are both useful and directly supported by a secondary source. As such they should stand. I'm English, and have known of Jesse James from childhood and Pancho Villa from adolescence, Lampião I discovered by accident, in late middle age. I am reasonably well read and not uninformed in general, but my experience is fairly typical of people outside of Brasil, especially in Anglophone countries, in relation to banditry in Brasil and Lampião in particular. US history and folklore penetrates all areas of the globe. Coming down to basics, statements directly supported by citations from relevant published secondary sources trump any individual editors opinion on Wikipedia. Our discussion is essentially pointless. Urselius (talk) 20:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC)