Talk:Lap Dancing Association

Is the Lap Dancing Association now defunct?

I can't find anything on Google that mentions them after 2011.

Articles before that date mention the Lap Dancing Association website. Looking at the Wayback Machine, it seems have disapeared in 2014 https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.ldauk.org.uk/

There was a limited company 'THE ASSOCIATION OF LAP DANCING CLUB OPERATORS' that was wound up in 2013 https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05883561/officers Directors Kate Nicholls, Simon Warr and Chris Knight were also officers of the Lap Dancing Association. - John B123 (talk) 21:52, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the LDA was now defunct. Its primary purpose seemed to be lobbying around the 2008 review of licensing regulations. The questions that have been puzzling me are:

1. How do we add information on the association's demise? The indirect evidence you cite convinces me, but we can't include the conclusion in WP (WP:SYNTHESIS) and the individual items (closed website, similarly-named limited company closed) would look rather odd in this article.
2. What do we do with this article now that it looks like it will never be anything more than a stub? There may be one or two more pieces of information out there, but this is about as big as it is ever likely to get. WP is generally not very keen on permanent stubs, often preferring to delete or merge them (WP:STUB). This content would go well in a lap dancing in the United Kingdom article, but there are no geographically-specific lap dancing articles on WP (so far). The general lap dance article is already a little unbalanced by its UK content, and this would seem like excessive detail in such an international article. Equally it would probably provide too much detail if merged into the Policing and Crime Act 2009 article.

Any ideas? - Polly Tunnel (talk) 15:42, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

@Polly Tunnel: - I agree that there is little change of expanding the article and that there is no actual evidence the LDA is no more. Your suggestion of moving it into a new article Lap dancing in the United Kingdom makes sense. It probably also worth adding a cut down version into Policing and Crime Act 2009 John B123 (talk) 22:57, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

@John B123: It would be a good idea to expand the Policing and Crime Act 2009 article with some LDA material. I'd also have no problem in principle with a new Lap dancing in the United Kingdom article. It would be a useful place for the Adult Entertainment Working Group article to be merged to – that's an article which has reached start class but will probably never be expanded further. I ought to mention that there could be some objections from the editors of the lap dance article with regard to the creation of the new article (you may want to check out that article's Talk:Lap dance/Archive 2 and for that matter Talk:Lap dance/Archive 1). They may say:

1. All lap-dancing content should be kept in one common article for the sake of simplicity.
2. There is not enough UK-related content to justify a WP:SPLIT into a separate article, as the current article is not unbalanced by it.
3. There should not be a UK-specfic article without other geographically-specific articles. The current lap dance article only covers the US and Canada (in addition to the UK) and there is not a huge amount of material on those.

We can always ask for opinions first on the Talk:Lap dance page, but I feel the key to this is the quantity of content. All the while there is the current amount of material on WP, opinions may well support the status quo. There are probably enough sources out there to expand the political, social and legal aspects of lap dancing in the United Kingdom into a full-sized article, and indeed to construct articles for other countries, but if such expansion is not done when the new article is created there is a danger of any splits being quickly merged back. I may be being overly cautious here, but I know that I do not have the time to give this topic the attention it needs. I'd be very happy if you want to take this forward. - Polly Tunnel (talk) 18:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

@Polly Tunnel: - Looking at the talk & archive pages for lap dance, there seems to be a lot passion about what the article should or should contain. Any bold merges/splits would probably be highly controversial. Perhaps the best way forward would be to propose merging Adult Entertainment Working Group and Lap Dancing Association into lap dance and see where that goes?

Separately, I'll have a look at adding some content from LDA into Policing and Crime Act 2009. - John B123 (talk) 20:53, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

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