Talk:Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran

Singles dispute

From what I have been seeing, there looks to be a bit of edit warring on the Singles in the infobox for the article. I would like for this to settle down, and for a consensus or a compromise to be made on whether those singles should be included or not, with reasoning and sources provided. Instead of back-and-forth edit warring over the singles, I would like discussion from the users involved with the edit conflict. Pinging ShakiraFandom, Newpicarchive, Thedayandthetime and Thedeadpet who are and/or were involved. HorrorLover555 (talk) 03:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

The tracks TQG and Shakira: Bzrp Music Sessions, Vol. 53 have been unveiled as pre-release singles. They serve as a promotional component of the album, having been shared with radio stations, included in the album's Tracklist, boosting the album's streaming number since day one, accompanied by a music video, and recognized by various media outlets including Billboard as standalone "singles". Tampering with the release history of these singles would be considered an act of Disruptive Editing

The sources WP:STICKTOTHESOURCE: ShakiraFandom (talk) 08:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

According to Template:Infobox album: "For songs that appear on more than one album, list the song as a single only for the album where the single was released as part of the marketing and promotion of that album. Examples:

If a song is originally released as a single during the marketing and promotion of an album on which it also appears, and is subsequently included on a [another] album, list the song as a single only for the original album and not for the [later]." Thedeadpet (talk) 18:49, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

The Bizarrap song was not on any other album. That requirement does not apply. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 23:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

It was still not part of the promotion of the album. It was released by other label as a standalone single. Thedayandthetime (talk) 12:21, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

All of the given sources above say otherwise, it was very much part of the promo cycle; the label is irrelevant, it is common for stuff with other artists to be in collaboration with their label, doesn’t make it not part of the album. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 13:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

No, it wasn’t part of the promo cycle. If you go to Shakira’s official Instagram profile you can notice how “TQG” and the Bizarrap session are the only singles that don’t have pinned stories, meaning that they don’t have an official section/were not part of the official album rollout. Thedayandthetime (talk) 20:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Relying solely on that would be violating WP:PRIMARY, especially since several articles mentioned already mention the Bzrp song. Also, Puntería and En Paréntesis aren’t there either so that contradicts your point. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

It's obvious that Puntería and Entre Paréntesis aren't there because they weren't pre-released singles. A song being released as a single doesn't always mean it's intended to promote a specific album. There are several primary sources that confirm this was not a single intended to promote Shakira's album. Thedayandthetime (talk) 15:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

“There are several primary sources” where’s the source(s)? ShakiraFandom (talk) 14:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

They are in the article. Thedayandthetime (talk) 15:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Songs being included on the album does not equate to them being released as singles from the album. Other stuff exists. Within {{Infobox single}} it states: "If the song was originally released as a single well in advance of the album, |album= should not be used, since it is not from the album, but later added to one." Simply being included on the album does not immediately mean they were singles from the album; Session 53 was a standalone release later put into the album. Same with "TQG" which was released to promote another album first. Thedeadpet (talk) 20:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

The Bizarrap song was not on any other album. That requirement does not apply. ShakiraFandom (talk) 15:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

The source reference Billboard literally mentioned those 8 songs as a singles. ShakiraFandom (talk) 14:59, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

They mention the songs as singles, because all of them were obviously singles. That doesn't mean all of them were singles to promote the album. Thedayandthetime (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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