Talk:Las Tunas (city)

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Since 1976, the official name of the city and munipality, as well as the province, is "Las Tunas" (whitout "Victoria de.."). The change has political implications since the wording "Victory of.." is related to a victory of spanish forces over the Cubans during the Cuban Independence war, that took place in this town (previosly kown simply as "Las Tunas"). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.55.142.140 (talk) 16:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

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Requested move 4 March 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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• Las Tunas (city) → Las Tunas
• Las Tunas → Las Tunas (disambiguation)

– Las Tunas the city is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Would be consistent with other Cuban city/province pairs such as Matanzas/Matanzas Province, Cienfuegos/Cienfuegos Province, etc... 162.208.168.92 (talk) 20:44, 4 March 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. ~ Aseleste_{charge-parity}^time 05:00, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Note: (Non-administrator comment) Closure self-reverted. The technical move was contested here and the objection rationale was presented here.

Discussion over on Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests can be found here.

In addition, the closure was sent to Wikipedia:Move review, where the discussion can be found here.

See also #Post first closure. ~ Aseleste_{charge-parity}^time 04:49, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Post first closure

I object, and moved it back. No rationale for a primarytopic grab was presented. Dicklyon (talk) 18:57, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

There are 4 other links at the dab page:

Two are sports teams in Las Tunas city

One is Las Tunas Province, which, as shown, has its WP:CONSISTENT title at Las Tunas Province

and the last one is a ghost town in the United States with no notable history.

So I don't think that it's out of line here to say that Las Tunas city is the primary topic. Here is a graph. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 20:25, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

And here is a better graph that makes it clear that Las Tunas (city) is not getting the majority of the pageviews (choose chart type Pie, which doesn't seem to persist in the URL). Dicklyon (talk) 00:25, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

While WP:PRIMARYTOPIC considers usage as a factor, it also considers long-term significance, which would favor the city. I'd also add that the baseball team should be moved to Leñadores de Las Tunas (Baseball Reference) as it is customary to use the team name as an article title. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 03:39, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Sure, but it's a stretch to now claim long-term significance, which was not in the original proposal (which was only about consistency), over the province, the California city, etc. The case is very marginal, and disambiguation is generally better when there's not a strong primarytopic case. Dicklyon (talk) 05:10, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Honestly, I didn't expect any objections, and I shouldn't have made that assumption. But yes, the provincial capital, a major city in Cuba, which has two sports teams named after it, which has the whole province named after it, does seem to have a claim to long-term significance. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 15:13, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Relisting comments

Aseleste, thanks for reverting the close and relisting. Dicklyon (talk) 04:57, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose – Adding ambiguity via a primarytopic claim is not usually a good idea. In this case, the proposed primarytopic gets less than a majority of the pageviews of the topics on the disambig page, and no rationale was presented for why it should be primarytopic. I think disambiguation is the better option here. Dicklyon (talk) 04:57, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

As per above, the city is primary topic in regards to long-term significance; in fact, most of the other articles in the dab are named after it. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 15:08, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-20&pages=Las_Tunas_(city)%7CLas_Tunas_Province%7CLas_Tunas_(baseball)%7CLas_Tunas,_California%7CLas_Tunas In ictu oculi (talk) 16:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support. All entries on the dab page are partial title matches, and there is only one topic that has the bare name "Las Tunas" (discounting the Californian hamlet). Sorry, pageviews are bad evidence here. All too often, a mid-sized city named Foo, like this one, will be the seat of Foo province, home of a popular Foo club playing in Foo stadium, and served by the important Foo airport. All of those may be referred to as just "Foo" in a given context, but the city remains the central and most-significant topic. No such user (talk) 12:51, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.