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For future references on Latin music's decline

• AIMP "The Importance of the Latin Music Entertainment Market (9 Sep 2013)
• Billboard "Shipments Decline, Value Grows in Mid-2001" (29 Sep 2001)
• Billboard "Urban's Sprawl" (6 Sep 2008)
• Billboard "Songs for Sale" (7 Mar 2009)
• Billboard "Off the Rails" (3 Oct 2009)
• Billboard Biz "Latin Grammys Deliver Big Ratings, But Few Music Sales" (26 Nov 2012)

• Some sources for Latin music's decline in physical sales, record companies specializing in Latin music going out of business, sub-genres in turmoil, album sales decline, and decline interest in concerts of Latin music recording artists. These are for future references for when (and if) the article is picked at WP:TAFI to be expanded. Best, jona^(talk) 00:07, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Suggested sections

@AJona1992: I was thinking about how this article could be improved. Some sections I've been thinking are the terminology which talks about the different definitions of "Latin music" and why only Spanish and Portuguese-languages are the only ones included despite French, Italian, and Romanian also being Romance-speaking languages. The history could be about the Latin American immigrants in the US and how music of Spain has crossed over into Latin radio stations. We could add a Criticism section if there are sources criticizing "Latin music" excluding other Romance-speaking languages or how "Latin music" tends to be a confusing term. Thoughts? Erick (talk) 18:19, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Well the article is still in the queue over at WP:TAFI and once it was a candidate then I was going to volunteer to help improve the article. But if you want to go ahead and start it then one section that you have not mentioned (and I did above) is the decline of the Latin music subgenres (Latin Rock compared to the 2000s, salsa and tejano in the 1990s compared to them now, etc) which had an impact in the emergence of new subgenres to appeal to a more modern audience. Also, Spain isn't the only country to have influenced Latin music but Europe as a whole heavily influenced the traditional sounds of our ancestors in the pre-recording era of Latin music. But in modern Latin music, the Caribbean, African Americans, and the Asia continent has influenced reggae, fusion, techno, r&b, soul, etc into today's Latin music forms. Best, jona^(talk) 14:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Ah yes, you bring up a very good point. I'll add those as well and look forward to when TAFI comes around. Erick (talk) 14:58, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Who knows when it'll get nominated in the pool, if you really want to get started go for it. Best, jona^(talk) 22:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

@AJona1992: Another idea popped into my head on how to expand this article. We could talk about what was popular in the Latin music in each generation. I realized this when you made the 2015 in Latin music article. This should also be good for when TAFI comes. Erick (talk) 16:16, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

I didn't create that article but found it abandoned and tried rescuing it =) That could be great if such sources exist, I mean they could be especially with Billboard and Nielsen's annual reviews. Speaking of TAFI, I wonder how long would it be until this article will be at the queue. jona^(talk) 22:12, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

@AJona1992: Ah, that's interesting. I was thinking not only Billboard annual reviews, but trends as well. Like we both know in the '90s that boleros made a return, that Tejano was popular and Selena was a huge star. In the tropical side, you still had salsa but merengue became very popular too. Then we have the current trend which is bachata, reggaeton, and dance club music. I believe this article has great potential. :) Erick (talk) 23:43, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Suggestion decade subjects

Here are some genres and other tidbits that should be covered by decade:

• 1940s-1960s: ?
• 1970s: The rise of rock en español, origins of salsa, and Latin ballads as well as the presence of artists from Spain in the Latin music market
• 1980s: Latin ballads, salsa romantica, merengue, grupera
• 1990s: Tejano, contemporary salsa/merengue, bachata, Latin pop
• 2000s: Reggaeton, banda
• 2010s: Reggaeton, electropop, contemporary bachata

That's all I've got for now. I don't know where ranchera and norteño would fit to. Erick (talk) 17:56, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

According to Ramiro Burr, norteño began its rise during the early stages of tejano's fall. I believe ranchera would fit in the late 70s and the 40s-60s era I believe was during the influence from rockabilly (example: Chicano rock), Latin folk/traditional, and jazz maybe? – jona ✉ 19:26, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, and probably son and mambo for the 40s as well. Sounds about right. Erick (talk) 20:07, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

"Latin music" is a catch all term not a specific genre

I'd like to suggest small edit to the intro description,

"Latin music (música latina in Spanish and Portuguese) is a genre that is used by the music industry as a catch-all term for any music that comes from Spanish- and Portuguese-speaking areas of the world (including Spain and sometimes Portugal), as well as music sung in either language."

Rather than saying "Latin music is a genre by the music industry", it would be more appropriate for grammatical and description purposes to simply refer to Latin music as a catch-all term used in the music industry for any music coming from Latin America regardless of national origin. To my knowledge Portuguese and Spanish music in Europe i snot generally referred to as "Latin". I also noticed there is only an english language article on wikipedia, so someone might want to look into that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mepersondudeman (talk • contribs) 18:58, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

That's not entirely accurate. The music industry defines "Latin music" as simply any Spanish- and Portuguese-speaking music that comes from Latin America and Spain (and sometimes Portugal depending on the source). See the first six footnotes that backs this up. And as mentioned in the article, the US music market considers any music that's sung in Spanish as "Latin" even if the artist or sound does not come from Latin America. This isn't article about Music of Latin America, it's about "Latin music" from the music industry's point of view. Erick (talk) 19:04, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

This is kind of subpar mediocrity that needs to be provisioned by wikipedia, there needs to be a clause. Specially when it comes to non western , non anglo cultural expressions, sources do not do justice at ALL to the material, This is a big problem Gatomorado (talk) 22:38, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

It's very stupid and Anglo centric to call Latin music a genre

I guess western music is a genre too then, This kind of anglocentrism is what makes wikipedia cringe and its cultural articles so assbackwards, because many times the sources have no idea what they are talking about. While the people who are hands on have no voice or dont get considered Gatomorado (talk) 21:58, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

@Gatomorado: As I've said on my talk page, we go by what reliable sources say, not what you think is right or wrong. Sites like AllMusic, Billboard, as well as the first seven references are reliable sources and if you think they're wrong, go take it up with them. Wikipedia does not allow original research. Erick (talk) 22:15, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Yup agree....all we can do here is regurgitate what the sources say. professor- Ilan Stavans (29 July 2014). Latin Music: Musicians, Genres, and Themes [2 volumes]. Amherst College- Latin American and Latino cultural studies. ISBN 978-0-313-34396-4..--Moxy 🍁 22:20, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Why are European Countries included in this article?

I don't understand the logic behind this article, it's very ignorant to consider Spain and Portugal (both European countries) as Latin-American countries. If this article will be about Latin-America plus Spain and Portugal it should be renamed as Iberoamerican music, otherwise is ignorant and misleading. JaimeDes (talk) 04:11, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia goes by what sources says, not what you think is right. If you disagree with their inclusions, go take it up with Latin music industry. They're the ones who included those countries. EDIT: Also, Latin music =/= Music of Latin America, per one of the sources mentioned in the lead. Erick (talk) 18:29, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

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