Talk:Lay Lady Lay

Relation to "Out on the Weekend"

Does anyone know if "Out on the Weekend" by Neil Young references "Lay Lady Lay"? It has the line: "She got pictures on the wall, they make me look up/ From her big brass bed." And, of course, "Lay Lady Lay" has the lyrics "lay across my big brass bed." "Lay Lady Lay" was written 1969 and "Out on the Weekend" was written in 1971. --Andland 01:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Commas

It seems Bob Dylan's website [bobdylan.com|http://www.bobdylan.com/] presents the title of this song with commas, viz, "Lay, Lady, Lay". I think we should acknowledge this and change the title in all its appearances. King harvest (talk) 21:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC) King harvest (talk) 21:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

All lies

Of course, it should be "lie, lady, lie, lie across my big brass bed". Lay is a transitive verb. So what will she lay, eggs? If she is supposed to lay herself, then say it, Bob! Someone should improve the article by discussing the use of the ungrammatical in Bob's work. Tsinfandel (talk) 02:26, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

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Did Fred Carter Jr play guitar on this track?

Fred Carter, Jr., Famed Musician, Dies at 76 says he did. "Among the most well-known songs on which he can be heard are Marty Robbins' 'El Paso,' Bob Dylan's 'Lay Lady Lay' and Simon and Garfunkel's 'The Boxer.' "Moodstream (talk) 07:30, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't have the album, but I think this is the actual liner notes, and there's no mention of Carter [1]. While the source you provided is not self published, I would still want a better source --CutOffTies (talk) 15:32, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's also cited here Wikipedia - Fred Carter, Jr. . All 3 sources for that article say so, but none of them may be of the caliber you are looking for. I'm pretty sure his daughter's website ( country singer Deana Carter) says so too. However, I have found a site that says he wasn't. That site is blacklisted for spam and so I won't list it here. Moodstream (talk) 05:56, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'm just one editor, and not very important. The content of those three sources are convincing enough for me, do you want me to add or will you? Also, you could ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Bob Dylan. --CutOffTies (talk) 11:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'm not 100% sure that Fred Carter Jr. even played on the Nashville Skyline album -- although he certainly played on the following Self Portrait album. Neither renown Dylan expert Clinton Heylin nor author Peter James (in his book Warehouse Eyes) lists Carter Jr. as having participate in the recording of Nashville Skyline at all. As far as "Lay Lady Lay" goes, Heylin says in his book Bob Dylan: The Recording Sessions (1960 – 1994) that it was Charlie Daniels who played guitar on the song, while Charlie McCoy played bass - so the existing personnel list in this article needs amending anyway.

The Wikipedia article for Nashville Skyline (and Wikipedia should never be used as a supporting reference, by the way) says that Fred Carter Jr. played bass on "Lay Lady Lay", but that's not supported by an inline reference and smacks of blatant rubbish to me. It's surprising that so many outlets are reporting that Fred Carter Jr. played on Dylan's "Lay Lady Lay" though, when that appears to be inaccurate. Unless, of course, new evidence that has come to light to support this info since Heylin and James’ books were written. I'm going to go ahead and change the personnel list to reflect what Heylin says though. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 12:22, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

FYI.. Not that this can be used as a reference, but there's a comment here by Bob Wilson that Carter played on the album (not necessarily the song) http://www.bobdylan.com/music/nashville-skyline --CutOffTies (talk) 12:32, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

OK, that's very interesting. There are obviously conflicting sources regarding the personnel on the album because if you look at the Nashville Skyline wiki article, the personnel and what instruments they played is quite different from what Heylin says (although the sources for the current personnel list in the Nashville Skyline article are not clear). The other thing I'm wondering is whether the fact that "Lay Lady Lay" was recorded on a couple of seperate occasions during the making of the album is confusing things. Maybe, if he was present at some of the sessions, Fred Carter Jr. played on an earlier take of the song, but was absent from the master take, which was recorded on February 14, 1969. Just throwing out a possibility there. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 12:46, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Olof Bjorner's Still on the Road lists "Fred F. Carter" on guitar for the Self Portrait sessions, but not Nashville Skyline's. If you read the rest of the source-less paragraph that mentions "Lay Lady Lay", there are several claims that sound weak. Having backed up so many greats (see his partial credits on AllMusic), Carter doesn't need any padding. Allreet (talk) 02:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. The "sourceless" paragraph I mentioned above is in the Fred Carter, Jr. article. It also lays claim to "Lay Lady Lay", another candidate for excision unless an acceptable source can be found. I'm removing it. Allreet (talk) 03:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Well done Allreet. What about the Nashville Skyline article itself? It lists Fred Carter Jr. among the personnel present on the album but as outlined above, according to two very trustworthy sources (Heylin and Bjorner) it doesn't look as if Carter contributed to that album at all. Do you think we should removed his name from that article too? --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 13:03, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

The Everly Brothers Rejection

The fact that the Everly Brothers rejected Lay Lady Lady when Dylan played it to them isn't really disputed but the fact that they rejected it on the grounds that it was a lesbian song should probably be removed. There's no evidence to back this up anywhere that I can find and while this story is all over the internet it appears to originate on this page. Clinton Heylin, Michael Gray and Griel Marcus and Sean Wilentz all make no mention of this despite writing extensively about the song. It should probably be removed or at the very least introduced with a distinction of some kind to make it's (probable) apocryphal nature clear to the reader. It's a great story but unlikely to be true (especially since the word "man" and "he" appear frequently in the lyrics making the mistake highly unlikely)121.214.45.134 (talk) 04:51, 25 September 2011 (UTC).

I agree. I'm amazed that the quotes have been in this article for almost eight years with no citation. Here is a | Rolling Stone interview with the Everly Brothers where they say they heard the song, but weren't sure if it was being offered, and a | 1994 Pop Culture Classics interview with Don Everly where he makes a similar comment and no mention of rejecting the song. Every instance online of the Everly "quotes" from this wiki article were all made subsequent to the story being added to the page. I'm rewriting the paragraph to reflect the content of these interviews. --173.76.181.37 (talk) 00:24, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Mistake on chord symbols

The graphic with the chord symbols shows a "+" sign (which means augmented) on each major chord. "A+" = A augmented, which consists of A-C#-F. This can be corrected by removing all the the + signs, as there are no augmented chords in this song.

Gary E. Myers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gem777 (talk • contribs) 06:19, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

"legendary country musician Johnny Cash"

The author isn't too familiar with serious writing (as opposed to, say, the writing on the back of lp's), as we can see when he refers to "legendary country musician Johnny Cash." The term "legendary" is very out of place here.173.165.43.221 (talk) 18:32, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Agreed...and removed. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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