Talk:Lebanon at the Olympics

History between the two countries is relevant to the incident in rio

As you read the additions to article, it should be very clear that the history between the two countries is relevant and crucial to the article. Leaving the history out indictes Lebanon while adding the history better informs the reader. The fact that the BBC issued an article that did not delve deeper into the incident does not make it good journalism and that article should not become the reference for the documented history. I have maintained the initial text and added properly referenced and relevant material. The x phoenician (talk) 03:28, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

I've removed the contentious material again pending this discussion.

1. The material is not properly sourced since much of it is sourced to Wikipedia.
2. Even if it were properly sourced I feel that coverage of past conflicts between the two countries is WP:UNDUE
3. The material is not presented neutrally. Terms such as "Israel has a history of massacring Lebanese civilians" and "countless more atrocities and violations of the Lebanese sovereignty" do no tbelong in this article. Meters (talk) 03:42, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to explain. As for point 1, I agree. I will acquire more reliable references (this was my first time ever editting a wiki page and I was not aware of how involved the process was). As for point 2, the past history is relevant and is the only reason behind the incident. If that history did not exist, the incident would not have happened. As for point 3, I will refine the text to be unbiased while still maintaining the integrity of the topic. This will be some leg work, but it has to be done. At this point, item nb 2 is the sticking point and I would like your response. In addition, why is the statement made by Miki Sagi not relevant here as it is also being removed? Also, the same applies to the statement by Israeli Major General Herzl ‘Herzi’ Halevy as recent as Mid JUNE 2016 to turn the country into a refugee camp; thoughts please? The x phoenician (talk) 03:58, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Don't put it back in in any form unless consensus is first reached on the talk pages that it should be restored. Multiple editors have removed this material from this article and from Lebanon at the 2016 Summer Olympics, so there is definitely no consensus to include it so far. Various reasons given have included WP:RS, WP:NPOV, WP:UNDUE and WP:SYNTH. Try reading those for a start. Meters (talk) 04:24, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

I think the article as presented gives undue weight to the Israeli athlete's view. I don't think listing "civilian massacres" and whatnot is relevant either, though. I recommend we cut it further and merely leave the sentence Lebanese athletes refused to share a bus with the members of the team representing Israel at the 2016 Summer Olympics to travel to the Rio Olympic Games opening ceremony at Maracana Stadium. -- Lejman (talk) 03:54, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

To clarify; I think including the Israeli's quote is excessive for Lebanon at the 2016 Summer Olympics. I think mentioning the matter at all is excessive for this article, Lebanon at the Olympics. A team refusing to share the bus once isn't notable when summarizing a country's olympic history across 30+ olympic games. -- Lejman (talk) 03:10, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I agree with removing it from this article completely. The material was already removed from the the 2016 article, by an IP if I remember correctly, but the edit summary claimed that the info was false. I'm not going to put it back in, but if it does go back into that article I agree with User:Lejman's suggestion to cut it to just the bare statement. Meters (talk) 04:43, 22 August 2016 (UTC)