Talk:Lee Boyd Malvo

Update

updated 3/3/2005 to reflect Roper v. Simmons Supreme Court decision regarding execution of criminals who were under 18 at time of crime.

I made a few changes to reflect this and clarify the practical aspect of the issue as per last comment. Also, as a correction, Malvo took a plea bargain last fall in Prince William County, Virginia where the prosecutor had made it quite clear he wanted a death penalty like he got for fellow DC sniper John Allen Muhammad. Guess he (or his legal team) didn't see any point in taking a chance with the U.S. Supreme Court.

As a side comment, I don't think the potential for the death penalty has been much if any deterrent for contemporary murderers under 18. Most seem to have little concern for their future. The prospect for life in prison without possibility of parole might even be a stronger attention-getter. Its a shame we Virginia taxpayers will pay to house Malvo for the rest of his natural life, but its a worthy investment considering the alternative. Red Onion is our equivalent of Siberia, and is closer to Louisville, Kentucky than it is to Richmond. Vaoverland 17:53, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Why was the image of Lee Boyd Malvo deleted from the article? Adnghiem501

Probably due to the lack of a copyright tag. Vaoverland 08:08, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Is there any evidence whatsovever to support the speculation that Malvo would have been killed to prevent him implicating (not further implicating, incidentally) Muhammed?124.197.15.138 (talk) 05:32, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Registered user link

The link

Doodling sniper suspect keeps pace with artists, The Toronto Star

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MICHELLE MALKIN QUOTE A primary source (a quote from the actual law) would be much more reliable than quoting an anti-immigrant pundit such as Malkin. I will not believe that Seattle INS broke any law until I see the law itself, not a pundit's unsourced claim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.138.64.90 (talk) 17:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Convert to Islam

Someone has added a bunch of categories which would indicate that Malvo has converted to some form of Islam. Can someone cite a source for this? Vaoverland 00:40, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, I think I found it at [1] Vaoverland 00:41, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

One of the reasons that many people would still be wondering why the snipers did what they did is political correctness, in this case, the mainstream media's "revisionism and sanitization of Islam", i.e., the "politically correct whitewashing of the truth aimed at pleasing Muslim groups like CAIR": "When news of the snipers' identity first broke, CNN anchors were so determined to avoid making the obvious connection to radical Islam that they called the lead sniper, a Muslim convert, by his old name. Police were looking for John Allen Muhammad, but CNN insisted on referring to him as John Allen Williams." To further quote Rehabbing The D.C. Snipers by Investor's Business Daily (which presents a "pile of courtroom evidence"): "Nowhere in [CNN's] one-hour special — promoted as "The Minds of the D.C. Snipers" — is Islamist brainwashing even hinted as a motivating factor behind their serial assassinations. Yet the evidence is overwhelming that they were on a jihad." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asteriks (talk • contribs) 17:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone needs to do some math

"In all, Malvo is believed to have been involved in 16 murders and 7 additional attempted murders (23 murder attempts in all), of which the Beltway sniper attacks constituted 10 murders and 15 attempts."

I don't know about you, but 10+15 doesn't equal 23. So there's some majore issues there. I don't know enough about this, and as of writing, its nearly 2am locally, so I was planning on getting some sleep. Kaiser matias 09:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Religion

Without getting into the Islam quagmire, the Seventh Day Adventist claim/category should be explained/sourced in the article. Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 20:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia section?

Do we really need trivia in this article?

The Joining John Allen Muhammad section could be improved

It seems like the facts surrounding his acquisition of an AR-15 should be verified with a citation and that the second paragraph should be merged with the first. The details are out of chronological order. Also, who is James as quoted in the third paragraph? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.110.211.4 (talk) 12:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Table

The table listing the victims is sloppy/useless, as there are no headings for the columns.96.238.188.101 (talk) 19:17, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Just before the first victims table, the article states that there were two additional victims whose names are not known. One of the two could be added to the table: 76 year old Albert Michalczyk of Oro Valley, Arizona, who was non-fatally shot on a Clearwater, Florida golf course on May 18, 2002. Source: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-06-17-malvo-arizona_x.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yfff (talk • contribs) 05:07, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Citations needed

There are a few "Citations Needed" that is why I've put "Attention Needed" on WikiProject Biography template above to remind readers that the article could be improved. Adamdaley (talk) 05:46, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Update Bibliography

The third link about his indoctrination doesn't work anymore.

Here is an archived version of it: http://web.archive.org/web/20091113073446/http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/39/23/13

Perhaps someone could change it, as I am not sure what the protocol for archived versions is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.7.57.171 (talk) 21:22, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Malvo Shooting helped get us into the Iraq War...

The single biggest accidental effect of the Malvo shootings gets ignored by everybody. The Senate debate on whether to go to war took place at the same time. War was declared on October 11, 2002. The Malvo shooting spree dominated the headlines and pushed the war debate completely off the front page of most newspapers for the entire debate. The last chance to oppose the war was lost in a sea of headlines screaming "SNIPER !!!" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.42.41.105 (talk) 21:07, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

American?

Why is Malvo listed as being Jamaican-American? Has he been nationalized? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.16.68.186 (talk) 04:57, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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illegal alien

There's been some edit warring over the sentence "Malvo is an illegal alien", which is written in the present tense but is cited to sources saying that he entered the US illegally as a teenager or maybe as a child. It seems illogical to say he is illegally in the country now: he is in a US prison because a US court sent him there; i.e., he can't legally be anywhere else. So this aspect of his background should be explained better. 2601:648:8202:96B0:C8B1:B369:A439:9657 (talk) 10:25, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

That's actually a really good question. I had a longer write-up about what I found out, but I'm not sure it is relevant - WP:ORIGINAL. Under that policy, there would need to be something that says either Malvo is not an illegal alien (at least while he is incarcerated), or that imprisoned illegal aliens as a whole are no longer illegal while incarcerated. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 14:55, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

The article should just say what the source says: that Malvo originally entered the country illegally. If you've got more (sourced) info and think it is relevant, then by all means use it. It's just that extrapolating Malvo's original illegal entry to Malvo currently illegal is WP:SYNTH and in this case it doesn't make any sense. He is exactly where a US court determined he is supposed to be and he can't leave even though I'm sure he'd like to. In an ironic sense, it doesn't get any more legal than that. 2601:648:8202:96B0:C8B1:B369:A439:9657 (talk) 17:46, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

This seems to indicate that he would be considered an illegal alien. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 02:31, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Mr. Vernon: I 100% agree that Lee Boyd Malvo is an illegal alien, I'm tired of people removing this section. If people keep removing this section, then this article is going to need very strong protection to stop this removing of this section. Catfurball (talk) 15:59, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Takoma, not Tacoma

Takoma with a "k" is in Washington, DC (and Maryland). Tacoma with a "c" is in Washington state. completely different place, other side of the country 2601:152:880:10A0:705F:5541:D7E7:767B (talk) 13:16, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Lee Boyd Malvo

Lee Boyd Malvo is a lethal serial killer and has killed several people at gas stations 92.21.89.223 (talk) 18:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Serial Killer?

Should he be marked as a serial killer? Shktriib1 (talk) 20:02, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Do reliable sources refer to him as one? Schazjmd (talk) 20:11, 1 May 2022 (UTC)