Talk:Leicester City F.C./GA1

GA Review

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OK, I will begin now and likely make some straightforward copyediting changes as I go. Please feel free to revert any that inadvertently change the meaning. Let's see how those foxy foxes are....Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:25, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

• It would be good to format the references in cite web format, so that other information such as authors, work (i.e. website), publishers and publication dates can be added. Luton Town F.C. is a recently-promoted Featured article to compare with.

• Overall, the article is a bit rough around the edges, but I will help with that, and call in some others.

• Anything on famous supporters?

Please forgive the interjection... WP:FOOTY consensus is that "Famous supporters" sections are not encyclopedic and should not be included in team articles. The information could be added to the individual biography articles of the celebrities concerned, if it is deemed significant. --Jameboy (talk) 11:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

• Books are often better refs than websites.

• The two links in the first couple of sentences in the Colours, crest and traditions section are dead. Surely the Leicester book will have material on this.

I'll add more later. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

PS: Have also asked a chum to take a look. We'll help get this one over the line. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

JRA_WestyQld2's comments

GA review (see here for criteria)

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It was a hard decision whether to put this on hold or fail it right now due to a high backlog on good article nominees, but because there is quite a bit of work put into this page, I think if editors show some initiative on this page, it should get a second shot sooner, rather than later. I could not find problems with grammar, spelling or any major MoS mistakes, so if someone wants to clean it up, I'll decide what to do with it. JRA_WestyQld2 ^Talk 07:35, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   Maybe history can be broken up into sections

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   Biggest problem for this article, it lacks a lot of citation for facts. For reference number 3, if it is used multiple times, provide page different references for different page numbers.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Very broad. I tend to disagree Casilber about more content for a good article, trivial sort of things like that could be used for feature articles.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   I'm a bit nit picky on this one, it isn't too bad.

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Captions could be better by being more in depth and putting the images into context. Read WP:CAP.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   The article will be put on hold for a week, in this time there needs to be significant improvements to citations and referencing.

Thank you for your patience! Looks good =] JRA_WestyQld2 ^Talk 08:32, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Article problems

• Citations - Cite the following
  • Third paragraph of History Leicester reached the FA Cup semi-final in 1974.

FixedCptnono (talk) 07:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

• • Fourth paragraph of History. Jock Wallace resumed the tradition of successful Scottish managers (after Peter Hodge and Matt Gillies) by steering Leicester to the Division Two championship in 1980.

Fixed?Cptnono (talk) 07:08, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

• • Fifth paragraph of History. McGhee left the club unexpectedly in December 1995 whilst Leicester were top of Division One to take charge of Wolverhampton Wanderers.

FixedCptnono (talk) 07:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

• • Sixth paragraph of History. O'Neill was the first manager to win silverware for 26 years, winning the League Cup twice, in 1997 and 2000, and Leicester were runners-up in 1999.
  • Final paragraph of History. On 22 November, Ian Holloway was appointed manager. Holloway made history when he became the first Leicester manager in over 50 years to win his first league game in charge, beating Bristol City 2–0.

FixedCptnono (talk) 07:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

• • Final paragraph of History. Leicester were voted as 'The Best Club In The East Midlands '09' in a national poll, following on from two consecutive awards in '07 and '08.

Removed?Cptnono (talk) 07:04, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

• • First paragraph of Colours. The first commercial logo to appear on a Leicester kit was that of Admiral Sportsware, the kit designers, in 1976.

Fixed? See below

• • First paragraph of Colours. Cite all these facts. The first sponsorship logo to appear on a Leicester shirt was that of Ind Coope in 1983. British snack food manufacturer Walkers Crisps held a long association with the club, sponsoring them from 1987 to 2001. On 24 April 2009 the club officially unveiled their new 2009–10 home shirt during the last League One home game against Scunthorpe United. The new shirt will be without a sponsor in honour of the club's 125-year anniversary. The shirt is manufactured by Joma. The new kit features a central crest with "125" below.

Fixed? See aboveCptnono (talk)

• • Second paragraph of Colours. Another new character who is now seen every week at home games is TOPPS, the (Topps Tiles Tile) becoming a brand new mascot.
  • Stadia. Just about the whole section...

Half fixedCptnono (talk) 11:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

• • Club Honors. The 1942 and 1941 championships need referencing.
  • Records and statistics. All facts that aren't referenced.
• NPOV - The following are NPOV unless cited
  • Fourth paragraph of History. Due to City's relegation in at the end of the 1977–78 season and McClintock's subsequent resignation, he is regarded as one of Leicester's worst managers.

RemovedCptnono (talk) 07:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

• • Fourth paragraph of History. Why was it unsucessful? Plus citation needed Milne left in 1986 and was replaced by in 1987 David Pleat, who oversaw one of the club's most unsuccessful periods in its history.

Removed

• • First paragraph of Colours. Why was it unpopular? Citation needed This change was unpopular, and dropped at the end of the season.

RemovedCptnono (talk) 16:05, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Article summary

Lead

• Fine.

History

• Content fine apart from references and NPOV mentioned above.

Colours

• Referencing needed for this section most.

• I found a great resource for historical kits that looks to be properly vetted. Made a mention of it at the footy project. Forced to remove a few lines regarding when and how often the blue and white was used. Removed Admiral logo since I could not find it. Inde Coope is shown on this page and I have found a fanzine. I was hoping to find something better for the "first logo" line. Any thoughts?Cptnono (talk) 07:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
• Added source for last few lines regarding newest kit.Cptnono (talk) 07:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Rivalries

• Fine

Club honors

• One reference needed

Managers

• Fine.

Records and statistics

• Ref it!

League history

• Fine

Players

• Fine

Backroom staff

• Fine

References

• References should come under References rather than Footnotes. The referencing should also be tidied up to meet WP:HARV and many of the references are deadlinks or redirects.

Fixed layout (but not citaiton style)Cptnono (talk) 06:50, 17 September 2009 (UTC)