Talk:Leofwine, Ealdorman of the Hwicce

Sons?

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jamesdow/s032/f145142.htm shows two sons: Leofric and Godwin. This article claims only Leofric. Who's right? 82.36.26.229 11:46, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

The article on Leofric mentions three brothers. Updated. Havard 20:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

That said, I wouldn't trust anything off rootsweb.com without others sources... Havard 21:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Ealdorman of Hwicce? or Earl of Mercia

Needs some references to Leofwine as Ealdorman of Hwicce. Was he even Earl/ealdorman of Mercia? Havard 22:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

"Earl" was a title created by Cnut who organised the ealdormanries (is that a proper word?) into the earldoms of Wessex, Mercia, East Anglia, York, Northumberland and Kent after 1015. Prior to that Eadric Streona had been Ealdorman of Mercia. Before him it was vacant and before that it was held by Aethelric, so it is difficult to see how Leofwine could have been Earl of Mercia at all. After Eadric Streona's death, Leofric became Earl of Mercia.Streona (talk) 15:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Sources

I have not been able to find anything supporting the claims here about Leofwine's parentage. Unless someone can come up with references linking Leofwine to either parent, I'd rather see that part deleted. Havard 20:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Excellent work by Angusmclellan on clearing out that part. Can we also remove the "Earl of Mercia" part? As mentioned he seems to have been referred to as an ealdorman of Hwicce, but never as anything "of Mercia", and certainly not earl. I haven't been able to look into this in detail, but it would seem that Mercia consisted of several ealdormanries before Canute, and the uniting of the entire area under one earl was something done in the early 11th century? Havard 11:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Just to flag up hat I replied over here on this issue and it might also address some of the questions in the above sections. (Emperor (talk) 01:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC))

Three sons

John of Worcester mentions a wulfric son of leofwine who died at the battle of ringmere. Is it a different leofwine? 188.248.43.20 (talk) 21:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Leofwine was a very common name. We would need a reliable secondary source to suggest that this one was the ealdorman. Dudley Miles (talk) 07:35, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

the chronicler implies this “leofwine” was of note, wulfric SON OF leofwine, is it a coincidence that there were 2 highly influential men living in the same time with the same name? If so I’d imagine a distinction would be made, similar to the distinction the chronicler makes for aethelstan the king’s son in law and aethelstan the king’s actual son. 188.248.43.20 (talk) 06:05, 30 July 2024 (UTC)