Talk:Less than Zero

Requested move 24 August 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:41, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

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• Less Than Zero → Less than Zero
• Less Than Zero (novel) → Less than Zero (novel)
• Less Than Zero (film) → Less than Zero (film)
• Less Than Zero (soundtrack) → Less than Zero (soundtrack)

– per MOS:TITLECAPS / MOS:5 for lowercasing of "than". In the RM discussion at Talk:Less Than Zero (The Weeknd song)#Requested move 22 August 2022, it was pointed out that "Prepositions containing four letters or fewer" should use lowercase in Wikipedia article titles about works with English-language titles. As a result, the articles about two songs were agreed to be moved to titles with the word in lowercase. However, these four other articles continue to have the word in uppercase. Moving the disambiguation page in a consistent manner is also proposed. The artwork for the book, film and soundtrack use all-caps. WorldCat and the Copyright Clearance Center show "Less than zero". Goodreads has the proposed form. The Open Library shows several capitalization variants, but puts the proposed form as primary when looking for it. Some others use the capped "Than". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:17, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

• Speedy move based on the clear unopposed consensus at the other discussion. Dicklyon (talk) 23:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support IAW the related RM and MOS:5. I would also note that the primary name of the dab page should be Less than zero since this is a general term and not being used as a title in this instance and not all entries at the dab are titles either. The titles should be rendered as Less than Zero (soundtrack) etc both here and as titles on the article's page. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:09, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

  Regarding the capitalization for the dab page, all but one of the entries (i.e. except for the literal dictionary definition of "less than zero") use a capital 'Z'. In fact, it's arguable that Less than zero (with lowercase 'z') should just redirect to Negative number as a WP:DIFFCAPS WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:42, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

  Differentiation by capitalisation is very rarely a good solution in my opinion. Most people will search without conscious consideration of capitalisation since search tools are not usually case sensitive. While capitalisation of the first letter does not affect a WP search, the capitalisation permutations for "than zero" should all redirect to this dab page. Whether we flag this page by adding "(disambiguation)" is another consideration for clarity. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:35, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

  If there is no primary topic for the title "Less than Zero" with an uppercase Z, then parenthetical disambiguation wouldn't be appropriate for the disambiguation page itself. Graham (talk) 03:08, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment. "Than" is not always a preposition, but I don't think many would argue that the construction here is a shortened form of "It is less than zero is." Dekimasuよ! 02:40, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support per MOS:5. Graham (talk) 04:49, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support per all the above.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  10:46, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.