Talk:Level Crossing Removal Project/GA1

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Reviewer: Steelkamp (talk · contribs) 04:07, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I will be your reviewer for this article. I have a bit of pre-existing knowledge of this project but I certainly don't know most of the details. This caught my eye because I am working on Draft:Victoria Park-Canning Level Crossing Removal Project in Perth which I hope to take to GAN one day. On my initial glance through, the article looks pretty good so I don't think there will be many things holding the review up. Expect to see my comments soon. Steelkamp (talk) 04:07, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for beginning to review the article! I'll update the article as per your recommendations as they come through. I also a read through of the page you are currently making and its looks great so far. If you ever need any help feel free to reach out! HoHo3143 (talk) 11:36, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Do you think the article is ready to be upgraded to Good Article status, or is there anything else that needs reviewing? I'd like to wrap this up soon (if that's ok with you). HoHo3143 (talk) 12:34, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Good article criteria

Well written

• In 2022, the Andrews government announced the removal of an additional 25 level crossings on the Upfield, Ballarat, Sunbury, Frankston, Werribee, and Hurstbridge lines by 2030, extending the lifespan of the project. I suggest simplifying this sentence to In 2022, the Andrews government announced the removal of an additional 25 level crossings by 2030. as the previous sentences don't mention which specific lines and the "extending the lifespan of the project" is self-evident and not needed. Steelkamp (talk) 08:01, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Done. HoHo3143 (talk) 11:37, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

• There is an inconsistency between "Andrews Government" and "Andrews government". Same with "the Government" vs "the government". I suggest per consensus at Talk:Gillard government#Requested move 26 January 2022 that government be lowercase in both instances. This doesn't apply to phrases such as "State Government" or "Government of Victoria". Steelkamp (talk) 08:01, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Done. HoHo3143 (talk) 11:40, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

• As traffic levels increased, these began to become bottlenecks, both for road traffic as well as limiting the number of trains that can be run, especially at peak times. This sentence could be rewritten to As traffic levels increased, these became bottlenecks for road and rail traffic, limiting the number of trains that can be run. Steelkamp (talk) 08:01, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Done. HoHo3143 (talk) 11:42, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

• If you're wondering why I did this, it's because the body should stand on its own independent of the lead, and that includes spelling out any acronyms used. Steelkamp (talk) 08:01, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Makes sense! HoHo3143 (talk) 11:42, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

• Although the majority of crossings announced by Andrews were included... Daniel Andrew's name is not written out in full prior to this statement. Steelkamp (talk) 09:16, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Replaced with "Although the majority of crossings announced by Daniel Andrews were included in the priority list, ten of the crossings..." HoHo3143 (talk) 11:44, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

• Surprising that 2018 Victorian state election is not linked at all in the 2018 election commitments section. Steelkamp (talk) 09:16, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Added "In the lead up to the 2018 state election, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews pledged to remove..." HoHo3143 (talk) 11:37, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

• There are two paragraphs that have In late October 2022. Presumably those two annoucements weren't made on the same day so I suggest specifying the date each announcement was made. Steelkamp (talk) 10:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Done. HoHo3143 (talk) 10:56, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Many of these removals would be delivered together and included a number of closures. Change this to Many of these removals will be delivered together and include a number of closures. Steelkamp (talk) 10:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Done. HoHo3143 (talk) 10:58, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• In July 2021, the State Government announced... This doesn't fit in that section, as it's not relating to the 2018 election commitments. Steelkamp (talk) 10:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  Where should I move them to? HoHo3143 (talk) 11:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Maybe change the sections to be "2014–2021 commitments" and "2022–present" commitments or something similar. At the moment, the section titles just don't make sense. Steelkamp (talk) 06:46, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Done! HoHo3143 (talk) 10:50, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

• What's the difference between a level crossing "removal" and a level crossing "closure"? Steelkamp (talk) 10:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Y A level crossing "removal" is counted in the 110 by 2030 stat and is the action of separating the road from rail. A level crossing closure isn't included in the 110 by 2030 and is instead closing the crossing for good with no actual removal (literally putting up a concrete barrier with a sign saying road closed (obviously in a fancier way with landscaping, a pedestrian crossing, etc)). HoHo3143 (talk) 11:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Also this is how the government and the project define the difference. HoHo3143 (talk) 11:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Is this the same Latrobe Street as La Trobe Street? If so, should be linked. Steelkamp (talk) 17:47, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

N Different streets in different parts of Melbourne. HoHo3143 (talk) 23:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Verifiable with no original research

• As of October 2022, 67 crossings had been removed and 34 train stations had been rebuilt as part of the project. Reference is dated 14 September 2022. Steelkamp (talk) 08:01, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Replaced source with one from the Big Build site. HoHo3143 (talk) 11:49, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

• In 1983, the level crossing at Station Street, Box Hill, was removed. Other level crossing removals include Dorset Road, Boronia, in 1998 and Middleborough Road, Laburnum, in 2007. Citation needed. Steelkamp (talk) 08:01, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Added two new sources. HoHo3143 (talk) 11:55, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

 Those sources seem to be blogs / self published sources, aka non reliable sources. In fact, I now notice that there is another citation for vicsig.net for the following sentence which should be removed. Steelkamp (talk) 06:19, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Fixed! HoHo3143 (talk) 8:11, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

• Ref 11 seems to be dead. I tried using the Wayback Machine but that did not work. You should replace the reference or find the new url if that exists. Steelkamp (talk) 08:01, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Fixed with new sources. HoHo3143 (talk) 12:00, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

• Ref 13 seems to have moved somewhere else. If you can't find the new address, then an archive url from the Wayback Machine would suffice. Steelkamp (talk) 08:01, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Fixed the link through the new database. HoHo3143 (talk) 12:37, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

• In June 2014, six months prior to the Victorian state election... Seems to be closer to five months. 17 June 2014 to 29 November 2014. Steelkamp (talk) 08:01, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Done. HoHo3143 (talk) 12:04, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

• Refs 34 and 35 redirect to the main LXRP page. Steelkamp (talk) 10:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Done- added new sources from different sites. Due to the merging of the LXRP website and Big Build they haven't yet merged this across. HoHo3143 (talk) 11:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• There's a paragraph under Architecture and urban design that has no sources. Steelkamp (talk) 17:47, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

? Where? They all do?! HoHo3143 (talk) 23:35, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind, it only had one source but that has been fixed with an additional source at the end of the paragraph. Steelkamp (talk) 10:18, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Acknowledged. HoHo3143 (talk) 10:28, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Broad in its coverage

• It could be stated that the LXRP increases car use, at least according to ref 39. Steelkamp (talk) 17:47, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Done. HoHo3143 (talk) 23:55, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Stable

Y Acknowledged. HoHo3143 (talk) 6:30, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Illustrated, if possible

• You should add alt text to all images. Steelkamp (talk) 05:59, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Done- maybe double check to see if the images have good alt text. HoHo3143 (talk) 6:11, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

The architecture gallery still doesn't have alt text. You can find out how to add alt text for galleries at Help:Gallery tag#Extended syntax. The alt text for the other images is good. By the way, here is an easy way to view the alt text for all the images in the article if you are interested. Steelkamp (talk) 10:07, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

This is the only thing in this section left. Steelkamp (talk) 06:46, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Done! Is there anything more or is the article all good to go? HoHo3143 (talk) 11:44, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

• I feel that a better image could be put in the infobox. The current one doesn't show very well that the station is elevated and that a level crossing was removed. Images such as File:Reservoir railway station level crossing removal 2020.jpg or File:Rosanna railway station Melbourne during level crossing removal June 2018.jpg would better capture the essence of the project. Steelkamp (talk) 05:59, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Done- hopefully I can find a better portrait image of any crossing removal in the future that encompasses more of the road and station. HoHo3143 (talk) 12:19, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

• According to WP:GALLERY, galleries should be avoided where possible. It is possible to avoid a gallery on this page if the station images are put to the right of the table of rebuilt stations. (I'm ok with the architecture gallery as that section is quite small and won't be able to fit those images otherwise) Steelkamp (talk) 05:59, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Done- added some images along the side. HoHo3143 (talk) 6:29, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

• File:Clayton Road level crossing with manually operated gates.jpg should have the label at the bottom cropped off. I'm also sceptical of whether this image is actually in the public domain. I know that the Monash Public Library Service says it is public domain, but I'm not sure on what basis they are making the claim. Can you find out when that photo was taken and by what person/organisation? That will give me more information to make the image's copyright status clearer. Steelkamp (talk) 05:59, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

  Monash says its from the Public Record Office [of] Victoria. You can see more information on flickr about this image if need be. Also would you be able to crop the image- I have no clue whatsoever how to do that. HoHo3143 (talk) 6:37, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

The original PROV listing for that image is here. PROV publishes under a Creative Commons 4 license as per here so it counts as public domain (would count from the year this is likely taken anyway, but this image is undated). I will update that image with the higher-res PROV one, and it also doesn't have the label. Gracchus250 (talk) 23:01, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

? Thank you- do I need to take any further action with this issue or is it all good? HoHo3143 (talk) 12:25, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

I can update the image file, otherwise copyright should be fine in my view. Gracchus250 (talk) 06:23, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Thank you! HoHo3143 (talk) 8:25, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and cropped the image. Steelkamp (talk) 10:07, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Thank you! HoHo3143 (talk) 10:26, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• No copyright concerns with the remaining images. Steelkamp (talk) 05:59, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Yay! HoHo3143 (talk) 6:30, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

General

I'm looking at the article right now. Steelkamp (talk) 07:38, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Y Thank you. HoHo3143 (talk) 21:18, 10 December 2022 (UTC)