Talk:Licinius II

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Forced into slavery? I was under the impression he was executed. Druworos (talk) 13:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Renaming the article

Please discuss any proposals to rename (move) this article here, before carrying it into effect. Urselius (talk) 20:51, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Renaming

Despite the plea above, the article was renamed (moved) without discussion. The new name, "Licinius Caesar" is not one that is in widespread use in scholarship, with both 'Licinius II' and 'Licinius the Younger' being more popular. Wikimedia must faithfully represent scholarship. I will move the article to "Licinius II (Caesar)" as a temporary expedient, pending further discussion and perhaps full reversion - would require admin intervention. Urselius (talk) 07:45, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

@Urselius: apologies. I've already arranged for it to be reverted. I will say that I had in fact looked at sources before making the change. 'Licinius Caesar' is given by Timothy Barnes, and I saw "Licinius II" only once, and in a context that suggests it isn't even much used anyway. Avis11 (talk) 19:29, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

What source gives "Licinius II" or "the Younger" anyway? Avis11 (talk) 23:19, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Licinius, son of Licinius, is referred to as Licinius II in the consular lists in Fasti Romani: The Civil and Literary Chronology of Rome and Constantinople By Henry Fynes Clinton. This is pretty much the 'horse's mouth', from which later historians would, mostly, have taken their usages. Urselius (talk) 10:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Year of death

The PLRE says: "He was granted his life in 324 Ann. Val. 5. 29, but was executed by Constantine I in 326". Kienast's Kaisertabelle" also says 326. Both of these sources say Licinius senior was killed in 325. But Barnes's New Empire says: "deposed in autumn 324 (Origio 29), then executed (Eutropius, Brev. 10.6.3), presumably at the same time as his father." GPinkerton (talk) 22:33, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

De Imperatoribus Romanis also gives 326. Keep that until some further clarification appears. Avis11 (talk) 23:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

The 3 sources I have looked at all say 326, and at Pola where Crispus, the son of Constantine, was executed. Constantine seems to have been on a killing spree, the reasons behind which are obscure; he shortly afterwards had his wife Fausta put to death and other persons were also disposed of. It has all the hallmarks of a political purge, and Licinius II, a potential political problem, was conveniently got rid of at the same time. Urselius (talk) 12:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

gens Licinia

Avis11 You've removed the link to gens Licinia. All the relevant emperors are listed on that page, so I'm curious about the rationale. GPinkerton (talk) 16:39, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

To be consistent with other emperors: none other is labeled in his respective infobox as a member of a gens, only a dynasty. The infobox parameter reads Dynasty. Constantius I is called a member of the Constantinian dynasty, not of the gentes Flavia or Valeria. It's not only useless but potentially misleading, since Licinius II had no kinship with the Licinii of the Republic. I'm not sure it's even accurate to say he belonged to the Licinia gens: his gentile name was Valerius. Avis11 (talk) 16:55, 10 September 2020 (UTC)