Talk:Light: Science & Applications

Creation

I created this article because Wikipedia's missing articles for many journals published by the Nature Publishing Group, so its only listing of their full range of publications I could find is incomplete (compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nature_Publishing_Group_academic_journals and http://www.nature.com/siteindex/index.html). A former incarnation of the page was deleted:

Yes, I deleted it for copyright violation and spam. The references given (one of which was the copied source) were Light: Science & Applications：发出中国光学学者好声音http://www.opticsjournal.net/Post/Details/PT131024000244RnUqW and http://www.nature.com/lsa/about/index.html#Editors . There is no objection to you trying your hand, but, in view of the first article, be careful not to copy things and don't sound enthusiastic. Here, enthusiasm = spam in the majority of cases. Create it at User:Coelestinian/DRAFT for safety. You can substitute anything for DRAFT if you prefer, but that does give the patrollers the idea that this is 'work in progress'. Do remember that not all the publications of a notable publisher will themselves be notable. Good luck. If you get into problems, let me know and I'll put you onto a noted rescuer of lost causes. Peridon (talk) 23:09, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

I think I've fixed these issues.

We should probably add a cover image of the journal for completeness. A suitable image can be found at http://www.nature.com/lsa/index.html. It should fit the fair use restriction (in the manner of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Naturephysics.gif). Wikipedia won't let me add the file until this article is taken out of draft status (or, rather, I don't know how to do otherwise). coelestinian (talk) 17:24, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Unverified source/reference regarding Taiwanese affiliations policy of the journal

Hi,

I could not verify or find a source\reference confirming the statement: "The journal does not publish manuscripts with Taiwanese affiliations containing "National" in the name of the institute, regardless of the scientific value and research quality."

Adding a reference would be great. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.76.61.52 (talk) 07:10, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi,

This was originally pointed out by a Wikipedia modification on the present article (see history of the article) here is the justification of the modification that was made then :

"16:57, 5 August 2020‎ Noccp talk contribs‎ 3,442 bytes +630‎ This edit is based on a confidential emails from LSA editorial office (From: lsa@nature.com on behalf of light_lsa@ciomp.ac.cn. Cc: light_lsa@ciomp.ac.cn; s.kaierle@lzh.de; baiyh@ciomp.ac.cn) which asked the corresponding author to remove 'National" from the names of the affiliations of Taiwanese institutes. It may also be evident by checking the published articles. This nonscientific policy is prejudicing and must be made visible to the scientific community."

I checked when I first read about this and I have found a paper that I added as a link (see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6059949/) in note 1 (current version note 1) on the Wikipedia article. The article mention the author affiliation as Taiwan University which, does not exists and does not correspond to the affiliation usually used by the same authors that is “National Taiwan university” (see e.g. last author https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211285521002305).

Recently someone supressed mentions of these issues and the link to Chinese governmental institutions in the summery of the Wikipedia article. I reverted their changes because that issue tells a lot on what the revue is : a revue used by the Chinese government as a political tool the revue does not seems to be just a scientific review, so it should be clear what it is already in the summary.

Wikiopt123 (talk) 18:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

• to add this to the article, you'll need an independent reliable source. What you describe above is inadmissible original research and synthesis. --Randykitty (talk) 21:38, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Well... you just supressed a source showing the use of affiliations name by Taiwanese researchers that do not exist and is used anywhere else by the same researchers. This is an especially rare case in the research publishing world that it definitely disserve mention in the article. An other point that do deserve mention, the fact that the journals obey to the regulatory requirements of China is put as a "disclaimer" directly in the about the about the journal https://www.nature.com/lsa/about Never seen this kind of disclaimer in any of the other nature springer catalogue. So the ties with China seems indeed pretty important for the journal. So important indeed that Springer Nature seems to preemptively cover themselves through this disclaimer. That is certainly quite unique. You also have supressed a link to news page of the journal showing the publication of special issues for Chinese institutions anniversary special issues.. which is as well, not at all a usual thing amongst serious scientific journals (certainly at this frequency). Anyone with experience with scientific publication and journals will find these elements at least "noticeable" in a way that certainly defines what this journal is. I would be happy with a more neutral presentation of these elements, but the aforementioned elements need mention as they are specific to this journal. And their factual form was already referenced in the version you supressed...

Wikiopt123 (talk) 05:25, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

• Everything you describe above is inadmissible WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Please read those policies attebntively, I'm not linking to them so you can ignore them. What you need is a WP:RS that says the things you assert. Continuing to insert this stuff is disruptive and may get you blocked from editing. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 07:32, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

I take note of the WP:OR and WP:SYNTH rules. But please motivate and source the rewording from "co-published", to "published on behalf" when the editor in Chief himself describes it as a co-published journal in the introductive article to the journal (see https://www.nature.com/articles/lsa20123), starting by the Chinese institutions name and putting Nature third. Please motivate the suppression of "Chinese institutions". Would you please apply reciprocity in not ignoring links :). Finally I do not believe adding a section "National Taiwan University affiliation name" mentioning that the journal refers to National Taiwan University as Taiwan University would be OR, is reading the affiliation name of a particular article really already considered Original research ?

Wikiopt123 (talk) 19:44, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

What a publisher does is: providing and managing the production process (typesetting, producing a PDF, submitting articles to indexing services, etc) as well as providing the infrastructure for the editorial procedures (submission website and such). Do you think that any of these services are provided by those institutions? Of course not. So the journal is published by Springer Nature, but is owned by those Chinese institutions, who have outsourced the publication process to a professional publisher, SN. All they do is, together with SN, name editors and board members and set editorial policies. As for the "National" issue, you still are doing OR/SYNTH. Who knows, perhaps the omission of "National" was a mistake (either from the authors or the publisher). Or you are right and the journal unofficially (because not explicitly stated anywhere) insists on this. We have no way of knowing. I admit that you're likely correct, but what I (or you) think is irrelevant. As long as there is no RS saying something about this issue, we cannot put it in our WP article. --Randykitty (talk) 15:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)