Talk:Light Flip

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Light Flip in red

• ... that according to Wired, the Light Flip (pictured) is the "stylish dumb flip phone of your dreams"?

• Source: "The Light Flip Is the Stylish Dumb Flip Phone of Your Dreams"

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Created by Thriley (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 222 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 19:25, 7 August 2026 (UTC).

• Not a review, but I don't think a reviewer would look favorably on something that reads like an ad (even though that was not your intention). Maybe try another hook? Bremps... 15:54, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

I thought it was a catchy hook with the image. I am happy to provide more hooks if needed. Thriley (talk) 23:07, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

My formal review is to quickfail this as a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. That's because the product is scheduled for release in April 2027 which is 8 months away. A lot can happen in that time and the product might never appear at all. This seems an insuperable objection and so that's that. Thriley is welcome to appeal for a second opinion if they feel hard done by but Bremps' comment above indicates that this topic will be an uphill struggle. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:03, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: The company has released three phones already. I thought a product like this, with write-ups in major publications, would put it beyond crystal ball territory and more like a film that is in post-production, which I believe we usually run DYKs for. From what I have read, the delay in release is due to chip shortages caused by the AI build out boom. They are taking preorders for the phone, which made me think an article was justified and a DYK nomination ok. Thriley (talk) 18:24, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

@Thriley:. The company seems to be a tiny startup with few employees and little capital. The pre-orders indicate that they still have a kickstarter type of business model and such projects often fail to complete. The article makes definite statements in Wikivoice such as "The Light Phone costs $299 and will be shipped out in April 2027." Even giant companies like Apple and Tesla sometimes fail to deliver on such plans. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:21, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

Tiny is a strong word. It is a small startup: . I see no evidence that it would fail to deliver this. I think it is a crystal ball to assume that the preorders definitely indicate it is a kickstarter type business. With three products released over the past ten years, is well beyond kickstarter, more of a niche business. Thriley (talk) 19:25, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

Unlike Apple or Tesla, this company has a limited range of products that it invests completely in. Thriley (talk) 19:26, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

The company is too small to have its own production facilities and so its phones are actually made in China. That means they are subject to both the trade wars and shooting wars which have been disrupting such supply chains. And that's on top of the ordinary challenge of producing a new product. Their first phone was delayed by several months as the firm grappled with software issues. Don't hold your breath... Andrew🐉(talk) 22:31, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

Apple doesn't have its own production facilities either and produces their phones in China. They are facing the same difficulties Light is, that's why they are raising prices significantly this year. Thriley (talk) 01:14, 14 August 2026 (UTC)

An actual review needed, preferably from someone that actually bothers to read policies before citing them.--Launchballer 05:03, 14 August 2026 (UTC)

I usually re-read policies when I cite them to check that they haven't changed. WP:CRYSTAL says Wikipedia does not predict the future ... short articles that consist of only product announcement information and rumors are not appropriate and that's all we seem to have here. But, as I already indicated, I am quite content that we get a second opinion. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:32, 14 August 2026 (UTC)

Not gonna comment on whether I think this is crystal or not, but I would expect @Launchballer: to provide a more adequate explanation for that comment; "preferably from someone that actually bothers to read policies before citing them" comes across as quite rude. TheBritinator (talk) 14:46, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

Apologies for offending you with that. WP:CRYSTAL is a reason to send the article to AfD and put the nomination on hold; it is not a reason to fail a nomination, never mind quickfail it.--Launchballer 20:16, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

In terms of the {{DYK checklist}}, WP:CRYSTAL would be an entry in the "policyother" parameter. What the policy advises in the meantime is Until such time that more encyclopedic knowledge about the product can be verified, product announcements should be merged to a larger topic (such as an article about the creators, a series of products, or a previous product). The Light Phone article would be a reasonable place to park this topic until the product actually appears. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:35, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

Again, please send this to AfD.--Launchballer 14:11, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

I see that @Reywas92: BLARed this last month, although the article was in much a less developed state at the time. Perhaps they'd like to opine.--Launchballer 14:13, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. No harm done. TheBritinator (talk) 14:04, 21 August 2026 (UTC)

There is nothing in the rules that articles about future topics cannot run on DYK. Just because something is about the future does not mean WP:CRYSTAL applies. The only things that DYK expects from articles about future topics are that they are reasonably complete (per WP:DYKCOMPLETE) and that the actual hook fact (not necessarily the article itself) is unlikely to change prior to its DYK run (per WP:DYKDEFINITE). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:28, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

Once again, full review needed.--Launchballer 13:35, 25 August 2026 (UTC)