Talk:Limbo (Daddy Yankee song)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus for move. Miniapolis 00:23, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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Limbo (Daddy Yankee song) → Limbo (song) – Unnecessary precision, currently no other songs with the name "Limbo". DivaKnockouts 22:08, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Erick (talk) 22:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
• Comment Limbo (Bryan Ferry song) redirects to Bête Noire (album), and Limbo (Kylie Minogue song) B-side now redirects to Impossible Princess, cf Limbo (disambiguation). In ictu oculi (talk) 01:27, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Oppose - see further discussion on sources on the Brian Ferry single below. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose IIO's results show other songs. As there are other songs that some articles cover, this should not be ambiguously disambiguated. The (song) should continued to be a disambiguation page -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 02:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

• There were no other results for other songs before those two links were created yesterday by in ictu oculi at the time of the above comment. Why do they deserve redirects? Why were they created? They both seem not notable and were not issued as singles. — DivaKnockouts 03:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

They were created for the sentence above, that's why it says "now." I am not sure whether Google can ever pick them up, but if so they would be useful. Limbo (Bryan Ferry) was a single http://www.discogs.com/Bryan-Ferry-Limbo/release/529453 , Limbo (Kylie Minogue) was a single B-side. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:25, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

There is still no need to redirect to the disambiguation page because those articles do not exist. A simple hatnote on the top of the page will be enough. A disambiguation is only necessary if more than one song articles with the same name exists, not if other possible articles with the same name exist. See WP:SONGS#Naming. Erick (talk) 18:07, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - Non-existence of other song articles with same name is not an adequate reason to support the proposal. I stand by my word because, even when the article may determine significance of the subject itself, usage overcomes lack of long-term songs with same name. Readers may be searching for the Kylie Minogue or Bryan Ferry song instead of the Daddy Yankee one. --George Ho (talk) 06:59, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
  • If a reader was searching for those songs, a simple hatnote on top of the article to redirect them to the disambiguation page. Also, the disambiguation for music articles is addressed at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (music), which states "Unless multiple albums of the same name exist, they do not need to be disambiguated any further." Erick (talk) 19:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
    • Any editor can remove a hatnote if a hatnote is no longer necessary. A reader can rely on either AutoComplete or dab page besides hatnote. As for the guideline, a policy or common sense can overcome it in some cases. --George Ho (talk) 22:45, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
• Support The song is clearly the primary topic at a music level. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 04:20, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
  • How? --George Ho (talk) 05:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
    • Yankee's "Limbo" has appeared on more than ten national charts reaching #1 on three of them. Also, the two songs that are listed above are not notable. According to Allmusic, Kylie Minogue's "Limbo" did not chart, along with the album which itself appears to fail WP:MUSIC. [1] While Bryan Ferry's Bete Noire is notable appearing on various album charts, the "Limbo" originating from this album too fails WP:MUSIC. [2]. — DivaKnockouts 13:22, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
      • Usually, notability is relevant if two or more topics of the same name exists. In this case, I don't see how a "notable" song of a less familial singer can triumph a reader's need to find a non-notable song of a more familial singer. --George Ho (talk) 16:58, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
• Support given the absence of another article on a song by the same name. --BDD (talk) 22:34, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
• Support and include a {{other uses}} tag, per Next to Me (song). Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 01:52, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

But Tbhotch, unfortunately the problem with the comparison is that Next to Me (song) has no other competing singles and wouldn't pass Wikipedia:Notability (music) for a standalone song article. Wheras Limbo (Bryan Ferry song) only needs a Bryan Ferry-fan (if any remain in 2013) to come along and copy paste the footnote sources on the 3rd single from the album article plus this picture http://991.com/newGallery/Bryan-Ferry-Limbo-35718.jpg into the Limbo (Bryan Ferry song) redirect slot following the format of the 2nd single Kiss and Tell (Bryan Ferry song) and hey-presto after 3 minutes editing there is another standalone article which would easily survive AfD. Which is why WP:DAB, as I read it at least, someone correct me, doesn't distinguish between whether notable content is forked into a standalone article or not. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:42, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

When I saw "Limbo BF song" had a link I was about to stress and oppose, but it is a redirect. If Ferry song would have an article, even if it is an stub (that passes WP:NSONGS), you would have a point, but it is not the case. Being redirected is similar to not have an article per se. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 01:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

As I said it could have an article with 3 minutes work, simply forking the sources on the single in the album out as the other single has been forked out. WP:DAB does not distinguish between Bryan Ferry's Limbo single being in the album article or having a breakout single article. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:36, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

But common sense does. You said so, create an article and I am going to change my !vote to oppose, but notability is requiered to do so. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:30, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

This seems a little silly to be honest, what happens if a Bryan Ferry fan comes along 5 minutes after the RM closes and copies the sources on the Bryan Ferry single into a separate article? If you don't mind :) I will stay with the position that whether something is a section of an album or a breakout article doesn't affect WP:DAB, this isn't the only song, so deleting (Daddy Yankee song) fails WP:PRECISE. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:37, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Not if there aren't any other articles with the same name. When and if a Bryan Ferry fan comes along it will be dealt with then. As of right now, no other song article exists. See this discussion. And again, this song would probably be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. — DivaKnockouts 01:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Divaknockouts, the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of Limbo is Limbo. I think you mean WP:PRIMARYALBUM - which was a guideline which has been deleted from WP:MOSALBUM by WikiProject Album editors. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I meant the WP:PRIMARY TOPIC on a music level. — DivaKnockouts 02:26, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I know, but currently wikipedia doesn't recognize that concept. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:49, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. Limbo (disambiguation) lists other music, including other songs, by this name. "Daddy Yankee" in the title is no disadvantage to anyone. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:44, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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