Talk:Lionel Luthor

SAy What?

Took this line from the movies section. Both films imply that Lex's father was the inspiration for Lex's schemes involving land, but that Lex's father somewhat cold top his son. I don't know what the land reference means (didn't see the movies) and I assume that it should read (Lex's father could stop his son) So can somebody fix that and maybe emphasize on the land thing (if you think it's needed) Tydamann (talk) 22:41, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Lionel's overly vague character in Smallville.

In Smallville there's more then a couple times that Lionel's character's motives and knowledge is brought into question. Among them, when Lionel is "blind" it's later known he did lie about it at some time, however when he regained his sight is not know, and it's possible back then he had seen Clark's powers. It's also possible that he knew of Clark's powers after "Transference". As well as becoming "good' from the aftermath of "Transference" is unknown if he had changed of if he was aiming to get out of jail. (Claiming to be good but manipulating Jason to search for the artifact, then blaming Lex for giving him the map, when it's clear that Lionel gave him the map.) He changes back to "evil" mostly due to Lex's intervention, but as with his "blindness" he only revealed the truth when it was the most beneficial or when it was obvious he couldn't hold up the charade.

The very ambiguous nature of Lionel's character might be worth noting as it's placed over the whole article but the length of the deceptions and the skill in executing them are beyond remarkable and deserve it's own paragraph as to his personal nature.--Kinglink 22:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Statement removal

I removed the statement "is unknown if he had yet built the Luthor Mansion on the edge of town" as in one episode, Clark mentions that he remembers from when he was little the bulldozers and heavy machinery puttihg the house together for weeks. That means that the house had to have been built after the meteor shower.--Esprit15d 15:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Not to mention that if you visit the Smallville site "town map" Luthor manor is all the heck away on the farthest corner of the map. It takes forever to scroll to find it. -User:Johnnyfog

Would it be prudent to change "During the '90's, at which point Superboy was introduced, Lex Luthor had cloned himself into a new body, which had long red hair and beard. This, of course, predated Glover's Lionel Luthor" to "During the '90's, at which point Superboy was introduced, Lex Luthor had cloned himself into a new body, which had long red hair and beard. This look, of course, was the inpiration for Glover's Lionel Luthor's on the show."... or something like that.

What makes you think that look had any influence on John Glover's portrayal? Glover had shaggy hair and a scruffy beard for some time before then. Look at the series Brimstone, wherein he played quite the amazing Lucifer. Also, people, sign your frigging posts. Four tildes. C'mon. Howa0082 03:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Characters tend to have this kind of tables.--201 03:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Check other TV series characters such as Sydney Bristow or Jack Bauer. —Lesfer ^(t/c/@) 23:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I love them...could you make this one look like those??--201 05:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Errr... I copypasted one of those you recomended but it doesn't work. The one I copypasted previously can't be that wrong... it's the one being used for Lex Luthor (Smallville). However, I wouldn't mind if you fix the one I took from Jack Bauer. It does look cooler. I don't know, you're the expert.--201 08:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Good ref

[1] - Peregrine Fisher 22:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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Section too long

The following template was used at the beginning of the "Smallville" section:

Since the first paragraph describes Lionel as a "Smallville" character rather than as part of the "Superman" mythology, does my rearrangement of the article make sense and does it eliminate the need for the template?Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 17:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Sources

We need issue numbers, dates, etc (see Template:Cite comic for what we need) for this information below:

• In the Silver Age era Superman comics, Lex Luthor's father, named Jules, was a fairly nondescript individual (a traveling salesman) who moved his family to Smallville, where his son became friends with Superboy. However, after Lex turned to a life of crime, Jules disowned his son, moving with the rest of his family (which included his wife, Arlene, and Lex's young sister, Lena) out of Smallville and, in shame, changing their last names to "Thorul" (an anagram for "Luthor").

• Following John Byrne's 1986 revamp of Superman's origins, Lex's parents' backstory was altered so that they were killed in an automobile accident perpetrated by their son. Lex had taken out a large life insurance premium on the couple, which he used to launch his conglomerate, LexCorp.

• In 2007, Lionel features in "The Origin of Lex Luthor", seen in weekly series Countdown to Final Crisis and again in Booster Gold #3, which features a time travel sequence to Lex's childhood. (<-- This needs elaboration. First, the link provide neither proves that Lionel is meant to look like John Glover, nor that he is even called Lionel in that series. There is also no explaination as to why the statement about Lex's childhood is relevant...needs more information...plus sourcing).

• In the 1988 animated series Superman, Lex Luthor's father is described by Lex Luthor as being "homeless and broke." (<--Episode number or title? Airdate...something for this).

The rest can be easily sourced to the films and TV show (since we have the title of the episode), plus Superman: Birthright is in paperback, so the entire book can be the source, instead of a specific issue (though, if someone knows what is was then that would be good too).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:55, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

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A very nice article; I've only got a few comments/suggestions:

• Link Clark Kent with a surname on the first mention.
  • I took care of this.
• The entire article switches between curly and straight quotation marks and apostrophes - whichever you choose, make it consistent.
  • I took care of this. This is an issue with WORD. I usually write the articles in WORD first, and I cannot find a font in WORD that is the one used in the Wikipedia code.
• In 1989, Lionel and his son Lex come to Smallville, with Lionel intending to buy the Ross Creamed Corn company. Twelve years later, Lionel exiles his son to Smallville to run the local LuthorCorp fertilizer plant, as a test - regarding the "twelve years later", aren't they already in Smallville? Or was the '89 thing just a visit, or am I missing something?
  • How does this sound - "In 1989, Lionel and his son Lex Luthor (Matthew Munn) come to visit Smallville, with Lionel intending to buy the Ross Creamed Corn company, when they are caught in a meteor shower that results in Lex loosing all of his hair. Twelve years later, Lionel exiles his son back to Smallville to run the local LuthorCorp fertilizer plant, as a test." - I added context, and clarified the fact that they were only visiting Smallville.
• Season three also saw Lionel diagnosed - present tense "also sees"?
  • I corrected this.
• Lex Luthor's father appears in part one - surname is a bit jarring; he's mentioned just as "Lex" in the preceding sentence so not really necessary.
  • You're right. I removed the surname and fix a type - "or" should have been "of".
• Luthor is not a billionaire and died in a fire - better keep calling him just "Lionel" as is done throughout the rest of the article; also kind of confusing with mentions of Lex as well.
  • The point is that it isn't "Lionel". I'm not sure that his name is "Lionel" in that comic, that was why I kept it as the surname. I changed it to "Lex's father", and fixed a past tense issue with the sentence.
• "Portrayal" would be a more descriptive header than "John Glover", IMO. Your thoughts on that one?
  • "Portrayal" sounds like it's just about his portrayal on Smallville, when it also covers the creation of the character. I don't know. I'll test it out and see what it looks like.
• Greg Beeman concedes that the character development failed - reading this without background, a reader would wonder "who the hell is Greg Beeman?"
  • Identified Greg as the executive producer.
• Both Annette O’Toole and Al Gough agree - maybe an epithet for O'Toole as an unfamiliar reader wouldn't know her.
  • I fixed this along with other issues when I was doing the quote mark issue. I went back and linked character pages and added the actors that portray those characters next to their names. So, Annette is linked with Martha in the "Storyline progression" section, above where it uses her name with Al Gough.
• It was also never the producer’s intentions - just one producer (Al Gough?) or more ("producers'")?
  • Good catch. Fixed the plural possessive.
• Lincoln Coles actions in "Mercy" - should there be a possessive apostrophe somewhere in "Coles"?
  • Yes, and I have added it in, along with the name of the actor.
• According to Caroline Dries - again, "who's that?"
  • Identified her as the series writer.
• Refs 31 & 32 need publishers.
  • Taken care of.

Otherwise, everything looks good. The article will be on hold for a week for you to make changes. Good luck :) —97198 (talk) 11:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing the article. I believe that I have taken care of all of your issues.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:26, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Before you decide one way or the other, I beef up the lead to be a little more encompassing of the article. You may want to read through that and see if you find anything that needs tweaking in there first.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Everything in the lead looks fine to me, as do all the changes. I'm happy to go with your choice between "John Glover" and "Portrayal" - you make a good point. As for the curly/straight apostrophes, it's not the font on Word, but the AutoFormat setting (like when you type in a lower case "i" and it corrects it to "I"). I'm not sure how to actually switch it off, but every time immediately you type an apostrophe (i.e. with no characters/spaces following), click Edit > Undo AutoFormat, which should un-curly it! A Word-whiz could probably tell you how to change the settings, but there's a way, even if it is annoying and somewhat time- and effort-consuming. :)

Anyway, I'm happy to pass the article, well done. :) —97198 (talk) 09:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Reception section

I have noticed that several IPs have tried to delete this section, probably because of its (short) length. To lengthen it, I think that at least one comment for each season would be great. Here's a great one for his death: http://au.tv.ign.com/articles/867/867646p1.html, and I will look out for others. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 13:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

This review: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02EFD9133BF934A15752C0A9649C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=3, is okay. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 13:34, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Here's a great one: http://www.post-gazette.com/tv/20020716owen0716p3.asp, with some mention of Millar. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 13:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Slight rewrite of opening with Siegel?

I thought it was worth mentioning that Jerry Siegel himself first came up with a father for Lex, though it's equally important to stress that Gough and Millar's character is pretty much original.

For example:

Lionel Luthor is a fictional character in the television series Smallville, portrayed continuously by John Glover. Initially a recurring guest in season one, the character became a series regular in season two and continued with that status until he was written out of the show in the seventh season. In Smallville, Lionel Luthor is the father of Lex Luthor, and founder and CEO of LuthorCorp. The character of Lex Luthor's father was first introduced [under a different name] in Superman comics by Jerry Siegel [in 1961]. Although Lex's father has appeared in other Superman-related media, Smallville represents the first time the character has become an intricate part of a Superman adaptation. Series developers Alfred Gough and Miles Millar created a new version of the character [in 2001] to provide an antithesis to the parenting style of Jonathan and Martha Kent.

I modelled the additions on the opening paragraphs of the other Smallville characters. 222.127.223.75 (talk) 14:38, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I like it. Go for it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

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Earth-2 Lionel as adoptive father of Ultraman

What is wrong with noting that Earth-2 Lionel is the adoptive father of Clark Luthor/Ultraman?

ArchAngelAvenger (talk) 03:28, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

It's noted. We don't need Ultraman's actions, because they aren't relevant. We have season articles that summarize more specifically. The important thing for this character page is noting that the character returns in the form of an Earth 2 version.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:40, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Well currently it is not noted that Earth-2 Lionel's adopted son is known as Clark Luthor who goes by the alias of Ultraman.

ArchAngelAvenger (talk) 12:53, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Pulled directly from the page: "In "Luthor", Clark Kent unintentionally visits a parallel universe where Lionel found and adopted Clark's native universe counterpart. Lionel raised his adopted son to be a murderer, going by the alias Ultraman, who kills anyone in his way including that Earth's Lex." 0---- So, it does.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:33, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about that, didn't realise that was there.

ArchAngelAvenger (talk) 06:00, 5 February 2018 (UTC)