Talk:List of American institutions of higher education/Archive 1

Archive 1

Under Hawaii, I suggest that the University of the Nations be deleted as it is not an accredited 4-year institution. The introduction to the list doesn't specificy that an institution has to be accredited to be included, but it seems to me that that would be a reasonable criteria. Comments? John Trapp 18:16, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I would like there to be a convention regarding college/university names and Saint and "St." I just finished creating a page for Mount Saint Mary's University (named changed from Mount Saint Mary's College and Seminary) only to find that many of the links across pages are either Saint or St.

Can somebody add Northern Colorado University on this list?

Inconsistency in organization

Why does the Ohio entry simply say "See List of Ohio colleges" when there are other states that have their own entries but have the information duplicated here? Personally, I would prefer that each state have its own listing page and for this page to simply serve as listing for each of the individual state pages. --Cswrye 21:11, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

I've created listing pages for each state in the U.S. My preferece is that the colleges be removed from this page and for it to instead only have links to each of the listing pages of the states (much like the List of colleges and universities by country page). That would create an intuitive hierarchy without any duplication. If that's not a good option, my second choice would be to include the colleges in Ohio and Puerto Rico on this page as well. It doesn't make sense to not list the colleges for these two areas when we do list the colleges for every other state and territory. Either way, I would also like to eventually reformat the state listing pages to look more like the one for Ohio. It has a very good way of classifying and organization the colleges on that page. --Cswrye 02:50, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Go for it. My only quibble on the Ohio page is the classification of some private colleges as "parochial", which seems rather odd, since many at most have a very loose affiliation with a denomination, usually based more on historical background than on any current enforcement of "parochial" views. older ≠ wiser 02:59, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Misread, yeah the link to the PR link should be included. —Joseph | Talk 07:59, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

I fixed up the list of colleges and universities in Tennessee into the format that I will probably use for all states. That will be a monumental task that will take a while, but I plan on doing it eventually. Let me know if you have any suggestions on the layout of the list. --Cswrye 15:34, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

As above--my regards the your criteria for a "parochial" school. By the dictionary definition of parochial, I do not think many of the schools would not be considered as such. older ≠ wiser 22:53, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

That's a good point. That's why I didn't divide that category out by the religion or denomination with which the institution is affiliated. I classified it as a parochial institution if it has a current affiliation with a particular religion, denomination, or religious organization. I think it's a helpful distinction to make since religiously-affliated colleges tend to be very different from those that are not religiously affiliated. It might simply be a matter of changing the label. What would you suggest? Is there a different way you would like to see it divided up? --Cswrye 23:24, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

I honestly don't see much point to classify four-year colleges beyond public/private. I mean, there are many four-year colleges that maintain some affiliation with a denomination, but in practice that often means little in terms of the demographics of the students how attend, or the faculty or the courses of instruction offered. older ≠ wiser 01:49, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

I decided to take your advice. I'm going to organize them by type of program (four-year, two-year, medical school, law school, etc.) instead of by parochial/non-parochial, just like the public and federal institutions. --Cswrye 14:54, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

U.S. Territories

Note that there are several other U.S. territories (such as American Samoa) that, as far as I can tell, do not have any institutions of higher learning in them. Because of this, there was no reason to create listing pages for them. However, if any of these territories do have any colleges or universities, please create listing pages for them and add links to those lists in the "Other Areas of the U.S." section (or let me know about them so I can add them). --Cswrye July 5, 2005 20:47 (UTC)

There is indeed a college recognized by the Department of Education in American Samoa. NCES' COOL website/search engine is most helpful in quickly and easily searching for colleges and universities recognized by the Department of Education. --ElKevbo 16:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

20:07, 7 September 2006 American Samoa Community College was added. The first comment can be assumed out of date and can be archived. But thanks for the COOL external link! panda 16:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Old comment indeed (2005!). :) --ElKevbo 16:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Regions

Can someone please explain how we arrived at these regions and their constituent states? They don't align with either US Census regions or IPEDS/NCES regions. Are these standard throughout Wikipedia or arbitrary for this article or...? --ElKevbo 16:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe they were copied from their respective wiki articles. You may want to ask on the talk pages for Northeastern United States, Midwestern United States, Southern United States, Western United States or Wikipedia:WikiProject United States regions. panda 16:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! These appear to be derived from the Census. One could make a argument that this particular list and other US education-related lists should use the NCES regions but I'm not entirely sure that would be a worthwhile change. I think there is more for me to learn before continuing down this path. --ElKevbo 16:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)