Talk:List of American military installations/Archive 1

Archive 1

December 2002

Is it just me, or is the title of this page getting a little silly? May I recommend List of military outposts? --Brion 00:18 Dec 30, 2002 (UTC)

It is getting out of control. -- Zoe 22:22, 29 December 2002 (UTC)

I agree. Brion's suggestion is a move in the direction of sanity. user:sjc 14:54, 1 January 2003 (UTC)

I don't see what sanity has to do with it. Vera Cruz 21:31 3 January 2003 (UTC)

Should Coast Guard stations be listed here too? -- Mike Hardy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.183.84.196 (talk) 21:18, 3 January 2003 (UTC)

yes Vera Cruz 21:31, 3 January 2003 (UTC)

This page is a complete mish-mash. Area 51, the Maginot Line and West Point all on the same page makes no sense, especially when the rest of page is about military bases almost exclusively in the US not semi-mythical secret installations, defunct lines of fortifications in Europe or military training colleges. This list should be renames US Military bases and all the erroneous other stuff moved to other appropriate lists. Mintguy 06:26, 15 January 2003 (UTC)

Is Area 51 the official designation for this base or is it the popular name I always thought it was semi-mythical until I read Area 51? Mintguy 09:45, 15 January 2003 (UTC)

Surely there should be some distinction between bases on US territory and others. Diego Garcia is on British Territory. It should be listed under overseas bases or something. Mintguy 10:02, 15 January 2003 (UTC)

Last I checked most of these weren't in the US. Vera Cruz 10:15, 16 January 2003 (UTC)

This article is not useful and should be extensively rewritten or deleted. ---GABaker 17:05, 166 January 2003 (UTC)

I recommend the "By Name" and "By Type" sections be removed. Stick with the "By service" charts. They provide all the necessary information this article demands, IMHO. Kingturtle 21:54 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

However, international bases must be added to the charts. Kingturtle 21:58 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

Wow, it's been nearly a year since my request. This article needs to better reflect the international bases. Kingturtle 18:14, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Chalmers Johnson in his book "Nemesis" (2007, pg.5) claims there are 737 U.S. bases in 130 countries. If true, this list falls far short. Goustien 03:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

The reference to Haifa is dead. Need a new one. And it seems as if we're stretching the definition of "base". At a minimum, I suggest that a base needs to be a facility that is staffed by US military personnel. Just having a contract for a guy with a gas nozzle and a berth big enough to handle a navy ship seems a little ridiculous. 98.244.78.30 (talk) 12:44, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Naming convention

There is a WP:RM request for Fort Benning, Georgia to be moved to Fort Benning. Please join in the discussion at Talk:Fort Benning, Georgia as the naming conventions seem unclear on this topic. Cheers, violet/riga (t) 18:34, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Instead of complaining about the organization of this category page, why not just reorganize it accordingly? There are already other Military Installation categories, and this is just one of them. Why not move items where they belong? SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) 20:22, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Addition

I don't want to screw anything up by messing with the code but if you could add MCAS Miramar to the California section of the Marine Box it would be appreciated.--Looper5920 23:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Someone should also add Fort Hunter Liggett to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.122.165.196 (talk) 19:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

addition #2

in the by type category, can you add proving ground (army) to the list. aberdeen proving ground (MD), and Jefferson Proving Ground (IN). jefferson isnt as big as it used to be, but its still there. and at the bottom how about a table with links to all 50 states category- military installations in new jersey (example) or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military_in_Nevada —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.33.77 (talk) 15:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

What happened to Schofield Barracks? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.249.77.1 (talk) 05:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I was just looking this over and if there are no major objections I'm going to add Aberdeen Proving Ground to the list. Jrssr5 19:30, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Shemya (Eareckson) AFB, Alaska

You might add Eareckson Air Force Station (formerly Shemya Air Force Base) on Shemya island Alaska. Brian Jones206.74.51.149 (talk) 05:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Define 'U.S. Base'

Why are the United Kingdom's Royal Air Force Bases described as US bases? This would seem to be an oxymoron. There are RAF bases at which there are Americans stationed as part of NATO. Without a definition of 'U.S.Base' a page like this has little value. ~~'Clear Thinker'~~ 11th June 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.138.200 (talk) 09:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I assume that that nomenclature is used so that the British people don't feel that there is a US military base on their land. Martin | talk • contribs 08:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, Martin, since Canada has troops stationed at US bases as part of NATO agreements, I guess these are actually Canadian military bases but they just call them "US bases" to make Americans feel better about it. Careful now, or your Canadian masters will put a boot heel on your throat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.192.111 (talk) 23:01, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Manta, Ecuador

This one is missing from the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.75.246.179 (talk) 17:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Creech AFB

Yeah...Creech Air Force Base needs to be added to the Nevada list... --Justin Herbert (talk) 19:37, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

What about using a sorted table

That way the data would be present only once, and so could not be inconsistent with itself. The wiki article on the National Film Registry uses a sorted table, if you you would like to see an example. I am willing to make an effort to do 'the work', but I wouldn't want to start unless at least some people agree. I don't think I am the best person to do it, but I could probably muddle through it ok. LOCATION would be the "country", or for US bases, "USA,State" Some of the base names have a comment "near city name" so I thought that adding that column made sense. Martin | talk • contribs 07:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

other bases

There are probably many bases that could be added to this list.
A size or size class field should be added to the table, I feel.
Chalmers Johnson indicates that there are 35-40 major 'overseas' bases.

service? - Iraq - CAMP ANACONDA - Balad
service? - Iraq - CAMP VICTORY  - Baghdad
service? - Iraq - CAMP CUPCAKE  - Al Said
service? - Iraq - dont know the name of the fourth permanent base

Martin | talk • contribs 08:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

MILITARY BASES

ARE THSEE BASES FOR RETIRED MILITARY OR FOR ANYONE WHOM SERVED IN THE MILITARY WITH PROPER ID LINDA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.155.136.253 (talk) 17:31, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

VARIOUS

It is odd to see old, small forts from the 1800's (Fort Supply, Fort Gibson, Oklahoma) listed as U.S. military bases. I think this page could use a little reorganization. Bob Webster (talk) 16:14, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Map Revision Proposal

The map detailing U.S. Military presence internationally should probably be updated. Specifically, having a separate category solely for Iraq seems strange. If the point of this category is to display areas where the United States is currently engaged in large-scale operations involving more than 1000 personnel targeting groups designated as 'hostile,' then Afghanistan should also be included. In addition, keeping the top-level colour-designation at 1000+ personnel seems far too low given the fact that Japan = ~36,000, Korea = ~28,000 and Germany = ~52,000. The U.K. and Italy are both ~10,000. I suggest keeping the designation for 100+ and 1000+, but also adding categories for 9000+, 28,000+ and 50,000+. --Xaliqen (talk) 02:01, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I think that first of all the map needs a source :-) Isn't that basic requirement for a map to be added to an article? --188.129.67.157 (talk) 21:04, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

MAP

Use of military facilities... What does that is meant to mean? I mean, the order from "higher exertion of power" to "lower exertion of power" (1000 to 100, light to dark, up to down) is betrayed by the darkest piece of the key which is set below the other two having an ambigious definition which seems imply it to be the one with greatest exertion of power (A military facility is always much more than mere troops) on one side but the contrary on the other (positioning and colour scheme, what, are those troopless facilities or what?)... I really find the maop confusing due to this key. So I guess someone betetr improve it... Undead Herle King (talk) 04:23, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Base in Paraguay shown on map is denied by US State department and atributed to internet rumors. Shouldn't this map be changed?? usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2006/Jan/12-623470.html 172.162.225.160 (talk) 17:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

The Philippines has ended the lease of US bases in the philippines in 1991, to the best of my knowledge. All the US bases in the artical that are in the Philippines are closed.109.202.232.51 (talk) 01:43, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I notice STRATCOM formally SAC, here in Omaha, Nebraska some how missed the USA bases list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.3.192.114 (talk) 01:14, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

DOMESTIC

In reference to "Domestic" bases - Guam and Puerto Rico, being U.S. Commonwealths, and bases on any other U.S. possessions should be listed as "domestic". 209.195.164.34 (talk) 20:32, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

WASHINGTON DELETED

It appears that three years ago the article on bases in Washington was deleted. I could find no explanation in the deletion log as to why. It appears that whoever did it thinks the name of the state is "Washington (US State)" rather than what it is:"Washington", like all the other states on the map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.103.200.226 (talk) 21:31, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

ANCIENT MAP - Countries with a US military presence, As of 2007.

This map is ancient, has no source and should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.42.66.122 (talk) 19:33, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

map

there are missing many bases on teh world map — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.115.172.104 (talk) 08:20, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

overseas bases

how can a RAF base be a american base? they might be also stationed there but it is a base of the british military. having it included like that without any explenateion seems wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.49.83.241 (talk) 12:03, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

The name is part of the hosting agreement between USA and UK. The bases are named as RAF bases and also have a RAF liaison officer, but otherwise they are used almost exclusively by USAF. SV1XV (talk) 12:52, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

The official map of DoD installations is here

[1] - I am the responsible DoD official for providing a public map and GIS data depicting the locations of DoD installations in the United States and Territories. The link above provides our latest map, and the source page also includes a link to our best available GIS layers for these site locations. We are in the process of updating the GIS data this year (2013). We have not provided maps or GIS data depicting overseas locations due to national security concerns; while this may seem odd to some, we have a thorough review process and this has been our official decision to date. We intend to keep these maps and data up to date annually, future releases may include additional sites. CONTACT: disdi.helpdesk@osd.mil

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.185.55.87 (talk) 14:25)

There should be a map for international bases

It would be really nice if there was a map for overseas bases, just as there's a map for the domestic ones. Esn (talk) 21:25, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

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Foreign Military Bases

It seems that many of these "bases" aren't U.S. bases but bases that belong to a host country at which U.S. military may be stationed in small numbers. What is the definition for a "U.S. military base"? If the U.S. has an attache at its embassy in Moscow, that should hardly fit any sort of encyclopedic criteria that we have....but this article seems to include such frivolities. --108.45.56.173 (talk) 12:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

BRAZIL AND MAP DELETED

There is no american military base operating in Brazil. Due to this inaccuracy, both the map and the entry about the base were deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.96.4.93 (talk) 04:03, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

"900 bases in 153 countries"

Contradicting this article's lead section, there have been various claims about the United States having 900 military bases in 153 countries. Is there any truth to this statement, or is it merely a common misconception? Jarble (talk) 04:06, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

@Jarble: Its a common misconception in a way, because it kind of depends on what you consider a base. When it comes to personnel, it is true that the US has personnel in that many countries but again that is personnel and not bases. That's where the 153 number comes from though. The 900 is also incorrect, as of 2015 the U.S. only has 587 DOD "sites" overseas, not including combat bases i.e. Afghanistan and Iraq are not counted by the DOD there, and a site isn't necessarily a base. 482 of those sites are "small sites" i.e. a few thousand square feet, usually space rented out in a partner country's base as part of a US agreement with that country for access to that base. There are also 69 "other" sites, most of which are embassy defense attaches, for example there are 16 US military personnel at the "other" facility in Russia and its not like there is a base in Russia. It kind of goes along these lines, a lot of those sites aren't really bases by most peoples definition but some people can twist the numbers a bit to fit their idea of things. Thats not to say the US doesn't have a lot troops and a lot of bases overseas but there aren't "bases" in anywhere near 153 countries. - SantiLak (talk) 05:22, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Missing one

What about Al_Dhafra_Air_Base --79.225.3.209 (talk) 12:59, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

How about just a list of United States military bases?

This article has lists broken down into Pentagon, Joint overseas, Army, Marines (domestic and overseas), Navy (domestic and overseas), Air Force (domestic and overseas), and Coast Guard.

But what is designated by the title of the article, a list of United States military bases, is NOT provided. ---Dagme (talk) 06:41, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

That is exactly what is provided. Just because they are sub-divided, doesn't negate that fact, it just makes the list more orderly and accessible. However, if you wanted just one long single list, I would suggest listing all the bases on a single table (instead of multiple bulleted lists), with columns for location, branch, domestic, overseas, joint, etc., and make it sortable. It would be quite a bit of work, but if you want do it, go for it. - ^theWOLFchild 10:04, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Thule Air Base, Greenland

It seems you forgot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Air_Base — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.186.126.208 (talk) 12:55, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Check again. USAF overseas. It's there... - ^theWOLFchild 18:29, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Australia

This is a list article, but someone has added a great deal of prose to the joint bases in Australia, that should really be in the individual base articles. I'm removing it, but preserving it here for future discussion/reference;

preserved content

Pine Gap Joint Defence Facility Pine Gap (JDFPG), Alice Springs, Northern Territory. The base is used by United States Armed Forces, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), National Security Agency (NSA), National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), in partnership with the Australian Signals Directorate (ASD) and the Australian intelligence services, to support global surveillance for worldwide intelligence collection and US-led military operations. In 2017 NSA documents leaked by Edward Snowden revealed that the base provides detailed geolocation intelligence to the US military, CIA, and other agencies that can be used to surveil and locate targets for conventional military operations, special forces operations, lethal drone strikes, covert action, economic espionage, and political action. Naval Communication Station Harold E. Holt is located on the northwest coast of Australia, 6 kilometres (4 mi) north of the town of Exmouth, Western Australia. Originally the station provided very low frequency (VLF) radio transmission to United States Navy and Royal Australian Navy ships and submarines in the western Pacific Ocean and eastern Indian Ocean. In 2010, the US and Australia upgraded the base with an advanced space radar and space telescope, designed to track satellites, and the Space Surveillance Telescope (SST), part of the United States Space Surveillance Network, was installed at the base as part of the U.S. Air Force Space Surveillance System (or Space Fence) site to be operational by 2018. Robertson Barracks Darwin together with RAAF Base Darwin are the site of a United States Pacific Command Marine Air-Ground Task Force permanent deployment. The U.S. presence at the joint Australia-United States base has been steadily expanding since first rotation of Marines arrived in 2012 as part of The Pivot to Asia (East Asian foreign policy of the Barack Obama administration) by the US military, now approaching 2,500 Marines, with potential future expansion to 5,000 Marines on rotation. Australian Defence Satellite Communications Station at Kojarena 30km east of Geraldton, Western Australia, is now shared with two large American operational military communication systems that pull down information on Indonesian, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Indian and Pakistani regional satellites. It is operated by the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Australian Signals Directorate (ASD). New military functions include the US Mobile User Objective System (MUOS) facility and the shared Wideband Global SATCOM system (WGS). Under the Space Situational Awareness (SSA) Partnership run by the US Joint Space Operations Center, the space radar will be operated jointly to track satellites in low earth orbit, and missile launches from countries in the region. Other US bases in Australia are present and this list does not include ADF bases with US access. The US military has access to all major ADF training areas, northern Australian RAAF airfields, port facilities in Darwin and Fremantle, and highly likely future access to an expanded Stirling naval base in Perth, and the airfield on the Cocos Islands in the Indian Ocean. References

- wolf 18:24, 5 September 2018 (UTC)