Talk:List of Americans who held noble titles from other countries

June 2019

User:Willthacheerleader18: regarding Grace Kelly etc: no-one is saying there is any American royalty. They are American, they are princesses, they are American princesses. What's the problem with that? Being an American who married into a princely family is certainly a WP:Defining category for these people. If you can think of a better category title that would be welcome. Opera hat (talk) 12:46, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

The problem is that they are not American princesses. Grace Kelly was a Monegasque princess. Her royal status had nothing to do with her nationality at birth. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 12:53, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

The problem is that it clashes with the way these categories are normally operating. Meghan Markle is in Category:British countesses not because she is a countess and British (she is not British) but because she is a peeress of the United Kingdom. Katy Gallagher was a British citizen but not in Category:British politicians because she was never involved in the UK politics. Surtsicna (talk) 12:58, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

So what would be a better way of wording it? Opera hat (talk) 13:04, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

American-born princesses? Agricolae (talk) 13:08, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Sounds all right to me. Opera hat (talk) 13:13, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

That would be clear. I agree that this is defining. Surtsicna (talk) 13:17, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Looks like it'll have to go through Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 29 now... Opera hat (talk) 13:25, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

I suppose I was following the precedent of Category:Australian peers, Category:Canadian peers, Category:Indian peers, who are Australians, Canadians and Indians holding British titles. Opera hat (talk) 13:18, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Oh. Those are confusing as well. I have seen peers of Scotland who live in England referred to as English peers or vice versa, and I believe we should avoid such ambiguities. Surtsicna (talk) 13:46, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Australians, Canadians, and Indians holding titles in the British Empire were often holding actual Indian, Australian, and Canadian peerages under the Crown. The monarch is, after all, still the Queen of Canada and the Queen of Australia, and the monarch used to be the Emperor of India. Canadian peerages also exist from French rule and are recognized by the current Queen of Canada, Elizabeth II, as legitimate. The United States has not had titles since the colonial era, and none of the people mentioned in this category were from that time. To make a category based on where one was born and then that they hold a royal title elsewhere is ridiculous. Do we have German-born princesses? Chinese-born princesses? Argentine-born princesses? Absolutely not. This labeling is trivial at best. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:21, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Peers of the United Kingdom

Shouldn't the entries in this section be sorted into their respective ranks? VABaron (talk) 20:54, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

No objections, executing. VABaron (talk) 19:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)