Talk:List of Amy Klobuchar 2020 presidential campaign endorsements
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Removal of endorsements
editI'm challenging the removal by Jccali1214 (talk · contribs) of certain endorsements. The editor claimed they weren't notable, yet the references provided indicated at least some notability. Furthermore, the edits stripped the article of references on which other content depended. -- Scjessey (talk) 18:41, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry about the references, didn't know about that. How are we showing "notability exactly? We've had a lot of ... edits and discussions about it on the Bernie endorsement page and the consensus has come down to "if below the state legislator level" + no wiki page = non-notable as per WP:N. Just trying to make all the pages consistent to be fair. Didn't mean to cause ill-will, bad edits. Jccali1214 (talk) 19:50, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- First of all, there's no ill will on my part. I specifically marked your edits as "good faith" edits in my edit summary. With that out the way, I'm not sure what you mean by "fair" in this context. While it is preferable for articles about candidates to be reasonably consistent with one another, the local consensus established at one article does not apply to any other. I suppose such a standard could conceivably be applied if it was decided at the WikiProject level, but that is not currently the case. Sanders has, as far as I can tell, a significantly greater number of endorsements at this stage (he has the advantage of having run for president in the last cycle), so editors can afford to be a little more choosy with his list of endorsements. I'm sure some of the less notable endorsements will be knocked off this article as more significant examples come in. -- Scjessey (talk) 20:56, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- I support removal of these endorsements by Jccali1214 (talk · contribs) and oppose their listing. Per WP:ERFC, "[t]he endorser must have an article or be unquestionably entitled to one." It is not clear why these small-town mayors and corn industry leaders are "unquestionably entitled" to an article. Per WP:POLITICIAN, international, national, and statewide leaders are presumed to be notable while county and municipal leaders are not inherently notable. The mayors that were removed (excluding Elaine Lauterborn, who is notable as a former New Hampshire Rep. and whose endorsement I've moved to State officials) are leaders of small towns, are not receiving significant non-local press coverage, and are not otherwise prominent. See Pete Buttigieg. The sources listed do not make it clear why the mayors and corn leaders are notable beyond their positions and their endorsements. Regarding the Sanders list, the same notability rules should apply to both lists. Tvc 15 (talk) 02:54, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- I was not aware of that Village Pump RfC, and I thank you for drawing my attention to it. As long as removals are done carefully (without removing references on which other endorsements rely), I concur with this approach. -- Scjessey (talk) 12:26, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- Just wanted to say thank you both, Tvc 15 Scjessey for your input. I think it's a good point that local consensus in terms of number of endrorsers determines level of choosiness but am also thankful for Tvc's input as well. Happy editing y'all. Jccali1214 (talk) 18:35, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- I was not aware of that Village Pump RfC, and I thank you for drawing my attention to it. As long as removals are done carefully (without removing references on which other endorsements rely), I concur with this approach. -- Scjessey (talk) 12:26, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- I support removal of these endorsements by Jccali1214 (talk · contribs) and oppose their listing. Per WP:ERFC, "[t]he endorser must have an article or be unquestionably entitled to one." It is not clear why these small-town mayors and corn industry leaders are "unquestionably entitled" to an article. Per WP:POLITICIAN, international, national, and statewide leaders are presumed to be notable while county and municipal leaders are not inherently notable. The mayors that were removed (excluding Elaine Lauterborn, who is notable as a former New Hampshire Rep. and whose endorsement I've moved to State officials) are leaders of small towns, are not receiving significant non-local press coverage, and are not otherwise prominent. See Pete Buttigieg. The sources listed do not make it clear why the mayors and corn leaders are notable beyond their positions and their endorsements. Regarding the Sanders list, the same notability rules should apply to both lists. Tvc 15 (talk) 02:54, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- First of all, there's no ill will on my part. I specifically marked your edits as "good faith" edits in my edit summary. With that out the way, I'm not sure what you mean by "fair" in this context. While it is preferable for articles about candidates to be reasonably consistent with one another, the local consensus established at one article does not apply to any other. I suppose such a standard could conceivably be applied if it was decided at the WikiProject level, but that is not currently the case. Sanders has, as far as I can tell, a significantly greater number of endorsements at this stage (he has the advantage of having run for president in the last cycle), so editors can afford to be a little more choosy with his list of endorsements. I'm sure some of the less notable endorsements will be knocked off this article as more significant examples come in. -- Scjessey (talk) 20:56, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
What constitutes an endorsement for Wikipedia's purposes
editAs a reminder, the following criteria are in effect for endorsements on this and similar lists.
There is consensus among participating editors that endorsements from an individual must meet all three of the following criteria for inclusion on a list of endorsements:
- The endorser must have an article or be unquestionably entitled to one
- This endorsement must be covered by reliable and independent sources
- Coverage of the endorsement needs to use the word endorse, or other closely related synonym.
See WP:ERFC for details. - MrX 🖋 13:34, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
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