Talk:List of Assyrian settlements

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i think, that the name of the topic has to change. the topic name is assyrian villages, but is urmia a village or a big town? maybe the new name can be, assyrian places. what do you think about it? KureCewlik81 23:34, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

"places" sounds like we just arrived their. How about "Villages and cities" Chaldean 20:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, how about Villages and settlements? I embesize on villages because many of these villages have been homogenious Assyrian for well over 2,000 years. Chaldean 00:49, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Villages are settlements. A settlement is just anywhere where people live. It can be a village, town, city, etc. --Khoikhoi 01:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

subcategories

I seem to remember, that there is no need of having the parent-category mentioned, if the article is part of a sub-cat. So by being part of Assyrian settlements there would be no need to mention Chaldeans as Assyrian settlements are a subcat of that anyway.

But you might want to check with someone who has been around a bit longer than me before you go changing a lot of articles :-)

Agathoclea 18:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Separations

I think we should separate villages that used to be Assyrian villages and villages that are Assyrian today. Cause, out of those 40 Turkish villages listen, no more then 5-10 have at least one Assyrian in them Chaldean 06:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

This list needs a clean-up. It contained many villages that were and/or are inhabited by Suryoye (West Syrians) only. --Benne ['bɛnə] _(talk) 17:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Considering the template used (it only mentions Assyrian Neo-Aramaic and Chaldean Neo-Aramaic), this page should only be about places inhabited by East Syrians aka Assyrians and Chaldeans. --Benne ['bɛnə] _(talk) 22:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

And your point? Chaldean 04:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

My point is that many of the villages mentioned are not considered "Assyrian settlements" by the inhabitants, and therefore should not be listed as such. --Benne ['bɛnə] _(talk) 15:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

But Assyrians live in these villages as well. Chaldean 02:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

With all due respect, Benne, the inhabitants of these villages are truthfully Assyrian. The identity issues our people suffer are largely a result of foreign influence, and that should not dictate the true nature of these settlements. Traditionally and, for the most part, currently, many of these villages are in fact Assyrian, whether the inhabitants are Syriac Christian, Chaldean Catholic, or adherents of the Assyrian Church of the East.Šarukinu 01:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

This list needs a clean-up. It contained many villages that were and/or are inhabited by Suryoye (West Syrians) only. — Believe it or not dude, barely anyone in the Middle East considers him/herself "Aramaean". Stop being immature with your Aramaeanism. — EliasAlucard|Talk 19:42 24 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

ridiculous list

i'm syriac from Midyat, 90% of the christians inhabitants of Tur-Abdin are Syriacs. nobody can obliges us to say that we are Assyrians!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.244.180.153 (talk) 10:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Need to present references/consensus.

More than 60% of the list is imaginary towns that don't exist, towns that used to exist but are abandoned, or places that belong to other factions/ethnic groups, which are listed under other articles. One user, Shmayo, is most likely presenting his own POV, or he's misinformed about the subject. Wikipedia is there to present traceable information that are backed by reliable sources and/or consensus. Creating lists that do not follow this guideline will result in deletion by other informed users. This is in no way considered vandalism, as it is merely removing incorrect information. Your actions, Shmayo, clearly show POV and a warring attitude.--Tisqupnaia2010 (talk) 08:30, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Can't you just continue the discussion there? I did not add all (maybe non?) of these villages. Which are these "imaginary towns"? Shmayo (talk) 08:35, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

under Ninawa, you listed Nimrud, Nineveh, and Assur. All three are imaginary town, unless you're living in 1000 BC. Then, they're not really settled by neo-Assyrians, but rather by the Original Ancient Assyrians. Also, under Ninawa, you have listed: Alqosh, Baqofah, Tel Keppe, Tel Isqof, and other towns that are NOT Assyrian. Out of the list you presented under Ninawa, only 4 out of the 15 are actually Assyrian. The rest that you have listed under Zakho, Amedi, Semel, and Dohuk are simply without any references/proofs or consensus. You even have one user in this talk page from Midyat saying 90% of its inhabitants are Syriacs (who are not Assyrians)!! Which clearly shows your lack of consensus and your push for POV.--Tisqupnaia2010 (talk) 08:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Very good, progress. I agree on Assur and etc. The others are Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac villages, just because you think it's not the same people it isn't that way. I'm from the Midyat area myself, it's not that way. And Syriac is the same as Assyrian and Chaldean. Shmayo (talk) 09:02, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

This article is about Assyrian towns. Unless you are to rename it to include the other groups, it shouldn't include Chaldean/Syriac towns. As for the "Assur and etc", you added them, and now after you have been exposed, you changed your tone!! Anyway, this could be the first step toward cleaning the mess in this article.--Tisqupnaia2010 (talk) 09:08, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Haha, talk about exaggerate. Tisq, I did not add them to the article. I did revert your mass-removal of content. Because that is the way it works, discussing first. Yes, it says that the article is about Assyrian towns. Open and read that article, you'll see Chaldean and Syriac. You can not say some villages are Chaldean some Syriac etc, for example two persons from Midyat; one saying it's Syriac the other Assyrian, who are we say what name they prefer. This article states that it's about Assyrian town, and do refer to the ethnic article, which is named after common name, with plenty about people from all churches. Shmayo (talk) 09:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I have removed anything that doesn't have a Wikipedia link that could be verified. I followed some of the links to verify they are Assyrian and removed some that are not like Al-Qamishli which has a majority of Kurds. Also, referring to an article that deals with another topic whose very title is questioned doesn't give you the right to present false information in this article.--Tisqupnaia2010 (talk) 09:40, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Just because it doesn't have a Wiki link it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Look at some of the one that doesn't have it, I'm sure you'll recognize some of them. Again, Qamishli is a one of the biggest A/C/S-populated towns. It was built by our people. Just because Seyfo made our population in some towns smaller that doesn't change anything. Shmayo (talk) 09:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

if it exists, then there should be some reference about it. Please find these references, and I'll add them back myself.--Tisqupnaia2010 (talk) 09:59, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Here are the changes I propose to make to the page:

• Remove the categories: "Assyrian people", "Chaldeans", and "Syriac people" because "List of Assyrian settlements" is not an article about a person or a people.
• Remove from "See also" the links to: Assyria, Assyrian flag, Assyrian Genocide, Assyrian Independence, and Assyrians in Armenia, because those articles have nothing to do with this one (Assyrian Genocide is already linked in the intro).
• Remove the Chaldean towns (I see no consensus to include them).
• Remove the non-links and red-links (adds nothing meaningful to the article).
• Add citation needed tags to some entries and remove others where it seems the claim is altogether improbable. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 10:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Tisq, for example a map of Hakkari showing many of the villages that doesn't have a Wiki link. Shmayo (talk) 10:07, 18 April 2010 (UTC) Iraq, he've also broken that rule. But again, it's about discussing it before making edits. Nice of you to come with proposals. I agree that the categories could be removed. The "Chaldean villages" are populated by the same as the ones you call "Assyrian villages". It's the same people, and secondly you are not deciding what people in different villages are calling themselves. Maybe articles about the villages should be created, not removing them from the list. If they are villages of our people then they should be in the article. Shmayo (talk) 10:18, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I am with you in this, but nothing on that map shows the ethnicity/religion of the villages. Also, when you create articles about Chaldean/Assyrian/Syriac towns, you'll still need references to prove they are either Chaldean, Assyrian, or Syriac. This is what I have been trying to tell you. Your list needs references/proofs. --Tisqupnaia2010 (talk) 10:22, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

You know very well what ethnicity the people of Hakkari always have been. See here,. The Assyrian did become less, but you know why too. That's the case with most villages. And do something good for the article instead of removing what you think doesn't fit. Answer Iraq's proposal too, please. Shmayo (talk) 10:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Very well, this is what I have been asking you to provide. However, this is no longer an Assyrian town. So, I'll add it (with your link) and make sure it read Previously Assyrian. --Tisqupnaia2010 (talk) 10:47, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

No longer? Do you mean that the A/C/S-population isn't as big as before? Well that's the case with all villages. You know what Seyfo did to us. Shmayo (talk) 10:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC) Removing so much material isn't OK, Tisq. Accept that small villages also can be listed, so stop whining about reference to small populated villages. You're not making any good to this article. You really doesn't have any support to remove so much material. Shmayo (talk) 10:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

And please read the some of the sentences in the begining of the article. Shmayo (talk) 10:59, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I have tried to fix Hakkari for which you provided a reference. This doesn't mean the rest is true, as many can be easily verified as wrong. So, do not just push for your POV again. Also, your book says Assyrians were massacred back in 1915 in that Area. If it says they still live there, please provide the page numbers. --Tisqupnaia2010 (talk) 11:07, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Well show me some that are non-A/C/S. Even the article of Hakkari mentions that some A/C/S are still living there. Shmayo (talk) 11:10, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Some Assyrians living in Hakarri doesn't make it Assyrian. Please stop going in circles. I have already shown you some like Al-Qamishli that are not Assyrian anymore. --Tisqupnaia2010 (talk) 11:18, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

moreoever, Al-Qamishli page clearly shows your inputs to the page which shows your own POV, as many others on that page have removed your attempts to make it an Assyrian town. A quick look to the history of that page would clearly prove my point. --Tisqupnaia2010 (talk) 11:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Qamishli is one of the most A/Q/S populated towns. Qamishli have whole streets that only A/C/S. A/C/S school are also common there. Shmayo (talk) 11:57, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you need to re-read the article. The article doesn't say Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac, it only says it is a list of Assyrian towns. Unlike you, I am not sweetening my tongue by replacing the existing Assyrianization when I feel I am losing ground. Saying A/C/S will not make you look a neutral user, for you are far away from that. However, if you're really interested in solving this issue and not just playing nice for Admins to see your writings, let rename this article the way it should be. Read below, and have some constructive input. Your narrow minded preset Assyrianization ideas.--Tisqupnaia2010 (talk) 18:49, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

It says Assyrian (clickandreadclickandreadclickandread) towns. The rest is off-topic and incivility. Shmayo (talk) 19:40, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Protection

I've fully protected the page for three days, due to the AN/I notice about edit warring. Please use this time to discuss how to resolve this content dispute. I would suggest: 1. Find references for all the entries, especially for non-bluelinked entries; 2. Separate the list into extant populated settlements and historic settlements; 3. If there are disputes as to whether a particular settlement is actually 'Assyrian', perhaps as Assyrians are a minority of the population, then this can be noted by the listing of the settlement. Settlements with majority vs minority Assyrian populations could be listed separately. Fences&Windows 14:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Suggested resolution

It's disrespectfull the most of these villages aren't Assyrian! but they are Aramean/Syriac So CHANGE THE NAME in Assyrian/Aramean/Chaldean settlements

• Rename the article to List of Assyrian, Chaldean, and Syriac Settlements.
• Remove the towns that are not supported by references until references are found
• Clearly marking the towns that were previously A/C/S to stop warring by their current inhabitants.
• Removing any nationalistic and political labels, as they promote warring.

None of these changes is impossible to do if neutrality, not political and nationalistic views, is the motivation of the other user.--Tisqupnaia2010 (talk) 19:04, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

The PageName

Its disrespectful to the Syriacs/Arameans 80% of all the villages belong to them! not to the Assyrians! So please change the name in : Aramean(syriac)/Assyrian/Chaldean settlements/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuryoyoAlex (talk • contribs) 13:54, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Assyrians in Turkey and Tur Abdin Villages

@Meganesia: Hi, as I understood it you mean that only inhabited villages should be included? There are plenty of smaller Assyrian/Syriac villages in the Tur Abdin region in Mardin Province that are currently inhabited that aren't included in the Turkey subsection, as well as Midyat, Nusaybin and Mardin City itself that have Assyrian communities. Istanbul should also be included since many Assyrians currently live there, but I doubt that Adıyaman, Elazığ or Van has any significant modern Assyrian presence. AntonSamuel (talk) 15:47, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Technically, yes. But this article is also more focused on modern Assyrian settlements rather than historical ones, because I'm pretty sure that Midyat and Mardin city have had Assyrians for millenias. I'd prefer if this article just includes modern Assyrian towns or cities, with the more historical ones (settled or not) listed in the list of Assyrian tribes article. Meganesia (talk) 9:19, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't think this method should be pursued. I think this List of Assyrian settlements should include all places of habitation, whether currently occupied or abandoned. The List of Assyrian tribes should only have the actual tribes, not the places of habitation. Might be a better way to organize the information. Assyriandude (talk) 04:16, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Villages in Syria

Hello all,

I have added some more sources for the villages in the Khabour River Valley. I have added some more detail as well about the names of the villages, and I have included the secondary names of the villages that are provided in the sources. Thoughts? --Assyriandude (talk) 03:45, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Pages need to be created for the following villages:

• Tell Ahmar
• Tell Najma
• Tell Ruman Tahtani
• Tell Wardiat
• Umm Waghfa

The pages should be built using the existing villages as templates --Assyriandude (talk) 18:59, 25 April 2020 (UTC)