Talk:List of Bundesliga top scorers

Table Layout

Hi @BundesBerti:

Rather than just reverting each other, let's talk about why we like our layouts and see if we can come to an agreement.

1)

Rank	Player	Nat	Goals	Apps	Ratio	First	Last	Club(s) (goals/apps)
1	Gerd Müller		365	427	0.85	1965	1979	Bayern 365/427

2)

Rank	Player	Goals	Apps	Ratio	First	Last	Club(s) (goals/apps)
1	Gerd Müller	365	427	0.85	1965	1979	Bayern

So I changed the layout from 1 > 2 for a few reasons:

• To make it consistent with the other big 5 European leagues
• Resizing the Clubs so that they are easier to read - the need to downsize isn't a massive issue in this article
• There was a similar discussion on 100 Premier League goals which led to the latter being adopted.
• Players with only one Bundesliga club don't need their stats displayed as they're already available in their overall stats.
• Nowrapping the clubs so that a mobile break doesn't confuse the data (though this may be unnecessary due to the use of mw-database.
• Listing the clubs chronologically rather than by appearance.

Why do you prefer the former layout?

Cheers,

Felixsv7 (talk) 11:00, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi.

I prefer the former layout, because:

• Columns for Player and Nat.: to make it sortable by surname and nationality, not only by nationality.
• Downsizing clubs/apps: to make the table not too wide.
• Listing the clubs by appearance and using stats by players with only one club: to make it sortable to see the rankings for each club. Example Bayern Munich, you can see by sorting: 1. G. Müller 365 goals, 2. Lewandowski 238, 3. Rummenigge 162, 4. T. Müller 138, and so on.
• It has been the layout since the start of this wiki article in June 2022, so for over 2 years that hasn't bothered anyone.

Cheers, BundesBerti (talk) 11:39, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Correction: ...the start of this wiki article in June 2020,... BundesBerti (talk) 11:43, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hey! Thanks for responding.

• I'd say that the important sortable columns would be goals, ratio and years but concede that it is more difficult to do this with a combined nationality and name column - but also note that it still sorts it alphabetically within nationality therefore not a substantial difference - whilst providing a more visually appealing table.
• The table never exceeds a single row regardless of width therefore I don't think that the loss in readability is worth it.
• The ranking by club is shown immediately in the table below where it lists each clubs' top scorer so I'd say that chronologically makes more sense and other tables don't even have this as a sortable column which I'd also think is sensible.
• Finally, I've had a look back at List of footballers with 100 or more Premier League goals from June 2020 and seen that you were helping to edit it at a similar time when the changes were made to its format, including an edit to include small text in the Clubs section, which was reverted as it was deemed too difficult to read. Felixsv7 (talk) 13:18, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I really like the table that you've built and maintained, I just want there to be conformity between the different leagues, and having just created / edited three of the other ones I was hoping to improve the design on this one as well, using the format that was agreed upon on the Premier League page. Felixsv7 (talk) 13:18, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi guys, I stumbled upon your discussion, hope you dont mind me interrupting: In the German version of this list, the column for name is sortable by lastname and still has the national flag in front of the name. I cant seem to find the english equivalent of the template used ({{PersonZelle) but maybe this is helpful for all the different pages mentioned so far. I struggle to see the benefit of sorting by nationality.

Cheers --Fluebbe (talk) 11:16, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

This solution works but is a bit clunky. If anyone is better at template design, please have a crack at it! Felixsv7 (talk) 08:52, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Rank	Player	Goals	Apps	Ratio	First	Last	Club(s) (goals/apps)
1	Gerd Müller	365	427	0.85	1965	1979	Bayern
2	Robert Lewandowski	312	384	0.81	2010	2022	Dortmund (74/131), Bayern (238/253)
3	Klaus Fischer	268	535	0.50	1968	1988	1860 Munich (28/60), Schalke (182/295), Köln (31/96), Bochum (27/84)

Introduction on Gerd Müller

The current version says The most successful goalscorer is Gerd Müller, becoming the first player to score 100 Bundesliga goals in the 1969–70 season, finishing his career with 365 goals.

I guess something got mixed up there. Müller did score his 100th in 1969-70, but Emmerich was the first in 1967-68, followed by Seeler; Müller was third. Also one might read this as 100 goals in a single season, which is yet to happen. In the season mentioned, Müller scored 38 times in one season - the highest number until then. In 1971-72 then, Müller was the first to score in the forties, maybe that was meant? Or do I miss something? Thanks for keeping this list so nifty. Looks better than the German one actually. --Fluebbe (talk) 12:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)