Talk:List of Cyrillic letters

List of Latin Letters looks nicer

Is there any chance of getting this organized like the, much nicer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_letters ? There's really no need to include the languages in this article; you can find that info on the article for the letter itself.

Actually (as mentioned in Talk:Cyrillic alphabet), this table would be a great place to show the IPA for the letter pronunciation, which varies by language and so requires the full table.Jackrepenning (talk) 21:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

See Alphabets derived from the Latin. The list of Cyrillic letters here was inspired from that article. -✉ Hello World! 13:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Well it seems that should be changed as well. It would definitely be more informative with IPA. BalkanFever 09:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

IPA instead of redundant letters

As mentioned above and at Talk:Cyrillic alphabet#The Sounds?, in the table we should have the sound represented by each letter in each language (using IPA) instead of just repeating the letters multiple times. BalkanFever 23:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to do this inside my computer, but that is a hard job. In my first discovery, these 6 letters Җ җ, Ӂ ӂ, Ҷ ҷ, Ҹ ҹ, Ӌ ӌ, Џ џ, bear the same sound /ʤ/ like an English j. --✉ Hello World! 10:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, those Soviet non-Slavic speakers obviously don't communicate with each other :) BalkanFever 10:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

ghe@BalkanFever 2001:448A:1070:A69:94CD:D4CD:6FC:5483 (talk) 14:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

ghe 2001:448A:1070:A69:94CD:D4CD:6FC:5483 (talk) 14:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

There are several difficulties in do this - (1) while some sounds are allophones for a particular language, they may be two distinct sounds in another. (2) iotation. Is a Russian д equal to д in Turkic languages? (3) lack of information especially about Uralic, northeastern and northwestern Turkic languages. Info on the web is only contributed by several people, thus lacking peer review for their accuracies. --✉ Hello World! 17:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Sounds for European languages

Am I right in making the following table? (Starts with Slavic and Moldovan first)

IPA	ru	be	uk	rue	bg	sr	mk	mo
a	Аа	Аа	Аа	Аа	Аа	Аа	Аа	Аа
b	Бб	Бб	Бб	Бб	Бб	Бб	Бб	Бб
v	Вв	Вв	Вв	Вв	Вв	Вв	Вв	Вв
g	Гг		Ґґ	Ґґ	Гг	Гг	Гг	Гг
d	Дд	Дд	Дд	Дд	Дд	Дд	Дд	Дд
je	Ее	Ее	Єє	Єє				Ее
jo	Ёё	Ёё
ʒ	Жж	Жж	Жж	Жж	Жж	Жж	Жж	Жж
z	Зз	Зз	Зз	Зз	Зз	Зз	Зз	Зз
i	Ии	Ии	Іі	Іі	Ии	Ии	Ии	Ии
j	Йй	Йй	Йй	Йй	Йй	Јј	Јј	Йй
k	Кк	Кк	Кк	Кк	Кк	Кк	Кк	Кк
l	Лл	Лл	Лл	Лл	Лл	Лл	Лл	Лл
m	Мм	Мм	Мм	Мм	Мм	Мм	Мм	Мм
n	Нн	Нн	Нн	Нн	Нн	Нн	Нн	Нн
ɔ	Оо	Оо	Оо	Оо	Оо	Оо	Оо	Оо
p	Пп	Пп	Пп	Пп	Пп	Пп	Пп	Пп
r	Рр	Рр	Рр	Рр	Рр	Рр	Рр	Рр
s	Сс	Сс	Сс	Сс	Сс	Сс	Сс	Сс
t	Тт	Тт	Тт	Тт	Тт	Тт	Тт	Тт
u	Уу	Уу	Уу	Уу	Уу	Уу	Уу	Уу
f	Фф	Фф	Фф	Фф	Фф	Фф	Фф	Фф
x	Хх	Хх	Хх	Хх	Хх	Хх	Хх	Хх
ʦ	Цц	Цц	Цц	Цц	Цц	Цц	Цц	Цц
ʧ	Чч	Чч	Чч	Чч	Чч	Чч	Чч	Чч
ʃ	Шш	Шш	Шш	Шш	Шш	Шш	Шш	Шш
ʃt					Щщ
ʃt͡ʃ		[шч]	Щщ	Щщ
ɕɕ	Щщ
(Note)	Ъъ			Ъъ
ɨ	Ыы	Ыы		Ыы				Ыы
ʲ	Ьь		Ьь	Ьь	Ьь			Ьь
e	Ээ	Ээ	Ее	Ее	Ее	Ее	Ее
ju	Юю	Юю	Юю	Юю	Юю			Юю
ja	Яя	Яя	Яя	Яя	Яя			Яя
ji			Її	Її
ʤ						Џџ	Џџ	Ӂӂ
ʣ							Ѕѕ
ʥ						Ђђ	Ѓѓ
ɣ		Гг
ɦ			Гг	Гг
ɲ						Њњ	Њњ
ʨ						Ћћ	Ќќ
w		Ўў
ʎ						Љљ	Љљ
ə								Ээ
ɤ					Ъъ
ɪ		Ьь	Ии	Ии
ʏ				Ёё

Note: ъ is used as a glottal stop ʔ in many other languages. What should be filled in? --✉ Hello World! 19:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Щ = /ʃt͡ʃ/ (Ukrainian, Rusyn), /ʃt/ (Bulgarian, Romanian).

By the way, the combined digraph characters like ʣ, ʧ, ʨ, etc, are deprecated in IPA, because they don't want to keep adding new glyphs as more digraphs are discovered. All digraphs are correctly represented as separate characters, joined with a tie bar /t͡ʃ/. Because Windows' Arial Unicode MS font screws up the position of the tie bar, it is sometimes omitted. See IPA#Affricates and double articulation —Michael Z. 2008-11-05 21:14 z

Note: "combined digraph characters" are called "ligatures"; the IPA section quoted has been renamed to IPA#Affricates and double articulated consonants —Coroboy (talk) 23:44, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

For Macedonian, Ќ = c, not tɕ, and Ѓ = ɟ, not dʑ. BalkanFever 06:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I changed "ro" to "mo" in this table, because the Moldovan Cyrillic alphabet and Romanian Cyrillic alphabet are two different scripts. The Romanian isn't in the article at all, I'm guessing because it is not used at all any more. Or maybe we should add it? BalkanFever 06:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't include Romanian here—unused alphabets would be a lower priority, and a whole separate project. —Michael Z. 2008-11-06 15:32 z

The code “mo” is being retired this month. Romanian Cyrillic alphabet is thus “ro-RO” and Moldovan Cyrillic alphabet will be “ro-MD”. Moreover, should we break the Щ row into two as the sound is different in Ukrainian and Bulgarian? Furthermore, what can be done if the two dialects of the same language has two different sounds? --✉ Hello World! 03:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Bulgarian and Ukrainian щ are already represented in the table in this article. If you're referring to the table above in this discussion, I'm not sure what that is intended for.

By the way, those are language codes: ro-RO is the Romanian language as spoken in Romania, right? Romanian in the Cyrillic alphabet would be represented by the script code ro-Cyrl, or if it used the old OCS orthography, then ro-Cyrs. —Michael Z. 2008-11-10 06:28 z

Errors there!

Table «Usage of letters in various languages» seems broken, cause of it's header is longer (has more columns) than body. First two rows («Language families» and «Alphabet») demostrate this: Slavic languages must include: ru be uk rue sr me bg mk me (there's a second "me", that seems to be an error) Other Indo-European: mo os tg Uralic: sjd mhr mrj udm kca Caucasian: ab kbd ce Other rows (rest of the table) seems to be correct. Colums on the bottom are also ok. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewboltachev (talk • contribs) 03:51, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

This «chaos» was originally caused by these edits:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Cyrillic_letters&diff=next&oldid=345540961
• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Cyrillic_letters&diff=next&oldid=354709360

And after that this edit was added, but it don't lead to fully correct state

• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Cyrillic_letters&diff=next&oldid=361673439

So, I found possible replacing the first table («Usage of letters in various languages») with version just-before-first-«chaos edit». This is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Cyrillic_letters&diff=prev&oldid=345540961

IPA values

Took me almost three years but I've finally finished adding in the IPA equivalents for the full chart. Hoo boy! -68.8.223.30 (talk) 07:17, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

"Archaic" letters

It seems that the list currently only shows Cyrillic letters still in use in "modern" languages. I would like to note that:

• It would be of value to have such a reference also for older Cyrillic letters no longer in use.
• If it is desirable not to include such letters in this article, an explicit note about this is in order (ideally with at least an inline list of letters and/or a link to where more information about them can be found).
• I'm not sure, but is it possible that some letters considered archaic are perhaps still in use (and should be included)? E.g. letters used in Church Slavonic.

2A02:8109:9200:7F58:A570:F1F8:1334:FBD (talk) 13:56, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

The Montenegrin alphabet and its special letters з́ and с́

In recent years an official Montenegrin alphabet has emerged, which has two letters not in the Serbian alphabet. These letters should be added to the table, as should the alphabet itself (or, conversely, it may be considered a variant of the Serbian alphabet, not occupying its own column, with side notes for the letters only used in Montenegrin). If there are no objections I can do the necessary editing. 2A02:8109:9200:7F58:A570:F1F8:1334:FBD (talk) 14:32, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Done! 2A02:8109:9200:7F58:B8A8:953A:B870:CCA (talk) 05:27, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

What do the stars — * and (*) — in the table stand for?

2A02:8109:9200:7F58:A570:F1F8:1334:FBD (talk) 16:44, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Missing the Romanian Cyrillic alphabet

I was looking at this chart's list of languages and noticed that Romanian Cyrillic was not included. After looking at the talk page I saw a person say that it was not used any more, but it is still useful to have on the chart, as some people may still use it. If there are no objections I can do the necessary editing. 08:14 , 18 April 2017 (UTC) Stan traynor (talk) 07:15, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Missing modern-use letters

FYI: The following letters are present in the Cyrillic script in Unicode article but not this one: Ӻ ӻ Ӿ ӿ Ԁ ԁ Ԃ ԃ Ԅ ԅ Ԇ ԇ Ԉ ԉ Ԋ ԋ Ԍ ԍ Ԏ ԏ Ԑ ԑ Ԓ ԓ Ԕ ԕ Ԗ ԗ Ԙ ԙ Ԛ ԛ Ԝ ԝ Ԟ ԟ Ԡ ԡ Ԣ ԣ Ԥ ԥ Ԧ ԧ Ԩ ԩ Ԫ ԫ Ԭ ԭ Ԯ ԯ. I think they're used for languages not listed (so far) in this article. DRMcCreedy (talk) 23:29, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Ŋ

The U F 2804:D41:E063:B600:3994:8754:C801:5ACC (talk) 19:48, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

huh? GabeNugget (talk) 14:52, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Komi Dje has 2 of itself?

There’s d and a du lokkalied both called ‘Komi dje’

the one that looks like d is actually called ‘Komi de’! GabeNugget (talk) 14:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

ADD BACK YO

The change from Russian alphabet to Bulgarian alphabet has removed "Yo" altogether, add it back! Aoscf77 (talk) 14:33, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

lol

why are we still on this wiki, just to watch how it'll never be complete? Everyday, I can feel myself age as this wiki goes slower than the (now dead) queen of england, + if she had arthritis.100.38.12.169 (talk) 01:04, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

ðe phrase ‹with scribble› made me go “ona li toki musi anu seme?”

its just so bizarre, aciim but according to Early Cyrillic alphabet#Numerals, diacritics and punctuation, its called a ‘kamora’ Jan Eten (talk) 01:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)