Talk:List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes/Archive 1

did a five year old write the summaries for the current season? jesus christ, learn how to spell! someone edit this before i lose brain cells

No, it's vandalism and wasn't in the show I'm editing and removing. SirGrant 17:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Some of today's edits sound like a joke. Can someone confirm any of it was really on the show? Art LaPella 06:09, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup!

This page needs desperate cleanup! The lists are all screwed up, there are countless dead links and typing errors, and that "plot rule" device should be removed at once imho, because I don't see how this would add to the article. Please, someone do something about this! Mobylon 00:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I am responsible for the formatting for the lists however, somebody else has used it and thus, it has resulted in messed up table formatting. I will try to change and fix the formatting wherever needed. The Summaries really need work but the dead links are there because I plan on creating individual pages for each episode. I've only done it for Season One so far but eventually, it'll be created for every episode and thus be automatically linked from the list page.

It is my opinion that the plot formula adds significantly to summarizing information in the article. It provides specific information partaining to each episode in question while identifying the main plots. It was inspired by the Lost page: (List_of_Lost_episodes) where they attempt to outline the centric character of an episode for informative purposes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xallium (talk • contribs) 01:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Ok. The formatting for Season 4 needs to be fixed and some Air Dates, Episode Numbers, and Titular Songs need to be added. I will gladly add all of these but not until the formatting dispute is resolved.

 Done -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 03:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Edits

I took off four artists from the "Episode name is based off the song by" part because they were not 80s references:

1. Celine Dion from "The Power of Love" because her cover of Jennifer Rush's song was made in 1995.

2. Destiny's Child from Mini "Hey Ladies" because they weren't even a group in the 80s

3. Alanis Morissette from "King of Pain" and replaced it with The Police becuase she covered it in her 1998 MTV Unplugged

4. Whitesnake from "Queen of Hearts" because their song with that title was released in the late 70's.

Actually, Huey Lewis & The News had a hit in the 80's with a song called "The Power of Love," The Beastie Boys had a minor hit with a song called "Hey Ladies" in 1989 and Juice Newton had a hit song called "Queen of Hearts" in the early 1980's. So, whomever listed Celine Dion, Destiny's Child and Whitesnake songs as the inspiration for Degrassi titles was probably mistaken. -- Gerkinstock 03:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok if someone has better references based off 80's songs then I say go ahead and replace them, but keep in mind I think some songs really are based off 90's songs so that not all episodes HAVE to be 80's references SirGrant 18:11, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know where the episode title "Going Down The Road" come from????

I checked in both Doc Watson and The Greateful Dead's bios and none of them released a saong named that in the 80's. This other group The Barra MacNeils released a song named exactly that, but in the 90's. Then I read that there's Canadian movie named that, but it was released in the 70's. If anyone knows anything about this episode, please help.

• Who said everything was named after an 80's song? The introduction says exactly that. Royboycrashfan 20:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed MOST songs do come from the 80's but not all. But since the majority do I think it's semi safe to assume that if there are two groups that did it, one in the 80's and one in the 90's or even 2000 it's safer to assume the episode is referencing the 80's song. SirGrant 21:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Behind the Scenes show & Degrassi Unscripted

Should these be included here or not? -- Gerkinstock 01:42, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

• Degrassi Unscripted: Turn it into an article and include information about the specific episodes.
• Behind the Scenes: Unencyclopedic. WP:NOT. Royboycrashfan 20:17, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Episode Descriptions

To all editors this was removed from the introductions but should still be kept in mind. "NOTE: This page has been deleted once before due to copyrighted information being posted directly from another site. If you add episode details, please do not copy from any other site, or risk losing your work. Contents" SirGrant 22:32, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit: April 19, 2006 -- I edited Season 1's episode description for "Jagged Little Pill." The title of the episode is based upon the album name by Alanis Morissette; it is not a song title. This should be changed in the introduction as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.60.36.204 (talk • contribs)

• Done. Also, for future reference, you may also edit pages on here. You don't need to ask someone else to edit something for you (unless it's a protected page). Royboycrashfan 18:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Adding links to songs

I know it may sound like too much work or irrelevant, but do you guys think we should link the titles of the episodes to the articles of the songs they were named after (when possible, of course)? That way, anyone who wishes to learn more about these songs and maybe try to figure out why they were chosen for the episode's title will not have to look through all of Wikipedia for them. Tell me if you think that's appropriate because I'm kind of new at this and don't know if that may be unencyclopedic. --Andresg770 15:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Picture Use

Can we use the pictures on here on other pages, like on actor or character articles? I am not sure about the copyright... Brainboy109 Oct 4th, 2006 11:47 am (UTC)

I don't see why not...--CyberGhostface 20:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Well I just don't understand the copyright, like it says those photos are used to promote the show, so putting it in actor's article wouldn't be promoting the show...I don't really know anything about the rules on photo use --Brainboy109 Oct 5th 2006 16:00 (UTC)

Actually, come to the think of it, I think fair use images CAN'T be used altogether like this. However, they're normally okay for indivial episodes' articles. If the episodes ever get their own articles, then we should probably move all the pics there instead. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 01:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Numerous episode guides have employed photos in similar manners.--CyberGhostface 01:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

True, but they have been removed en masse in these situations as well due to fair use violations. Fair use calls for limited use of such images. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 07:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Here Comes Your Man

According to the iTunes Music Store and The N's website (http://www.the-n.com/ntv/shows/episodes.php?id=67), the sixth season premiere was not two parts. It has been mistaken for this because it was as long as two episodes. Because of this, one screenshot needs to go; and the summarries need to be merged. I haven't made the edit myself because I didn't upload the separate screenshots, and there should be consensus on which will stay. —Cliff smith 02:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't You Want Me

The 6th season finale has also been set-up as the series finale. In other words, there are two different versions/endings to that episode (s). According to Cassie Steele, Christina Schmidt, Mastrionni and Stacy Mystsyn all return as well as 3 Degrassi: TOS alumni mostly likely Yick, Stephanie and BLT.

Season Six Episode Descriptions

About half of them appear to be fake since they detail what would be important plot developments and are written in poor grammar. mochi 12:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I went back through the history, and it appears that the anon user's IP has been logged several times as spamming and "vandalizing" other wiki entires. I'm not sure what to do about this, or how to go about reverting the edits, so I'll leave it to someone more capable. mochi 12:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Moichi, shut up. They are not fake. Just compare them to the ones for season 6 at TV.COM. JT does in fact die.74.195.3.11 23:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

TV.com isn't an official source. It has had blatantly false information in the past, like one time with an episode titled "JT and Manny in love". As such, I'm going to remove it until A.) it airs in Canada (if it has already, I apologize) or B.) a notable source has it.--CyberGhostface 02:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

CTV is behind The N this season because the season start was delayed until November 28th. They are however airing two episodes a week and will be caught up with The N the week of December 18th. More to the point of this discussion, TV.com summaries can be edited by anyone with an account (which is no harder to get than a Wikipedia account). Until someone comes up with incontrovertible proof, I think we should get rid of the summaries in question.JimboMaloi 23:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I tried removing them before but some anon user reverted my edits. Could you remove them again?--CyberGhostface 00:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Done. JimboMaloi 04:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Bullshit. TV.com is always reliable.18:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

First off, I would recommend WP:CIV, but it looks like several people already have. Also I regret to inform you that you are completely wrong. More importantly, anyone who meets the level 2 requirement on TV.com can alter episode summaries, and they are examined under far less scrutiny than articles on Wikipedia. Please stop your vulgarities. JimboMaloi 19:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

It's already been revealed in a promotion for season six on The N that "somebody" will die in the season. I think we should stop the descriptions at "Rock this Town", since the episodes "What's it Feel Like to be a Ghost?" parts 1 and 2 seem to have their storylines pretty summed up in the promos running right now. In other words, cut edit-able, online, "reliable" sources out altogether and go with what is released from the network showing the episodes in America. 67.72.98.94 06:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The episode descriptions for the upcoming season 6 episodes have been added again. First off all, shouldn't these descriptions be added after the episode airs? As I don't live in the US or Canada, I'm not familiar with all the airdates, but I'm almost certain that several episodes have not yet aired. Secondly, most descriptions are different from the teaser descriptions from several other internet "resources", and even then, since the episodes have not aired yet, it's not certain that the descriptions actually match the episode content. In my opinion, they should be removed until the episode airs. Mobylon 23:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Need individual pages

Ok... like all the other television series with extensive content, we should make a seperate page for each episode giving a summary, extended overview, cast/crew details, and trivia. I'll be glad to write to the extended overview for each episode however, we must first actually make these pages and I can only do it when I have free time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.229.220.235 (talk) 03:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Actually, that might not be a good idea. WP:EPISODE has more. A lot of episode articles are being deleted or merged since they're nothing more than plot summaries, rather than having some kind of impact on real life. -- Ned Scott 00:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps make a page for each season instead. Like what was done with The Simpsons. Click to see what I mean. Cliff smith 01:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

That would be better than episode articles, in my opinion. -- Ned Scott 03:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the best course of action would be to make this LOE like that of The Simpsons LOE, but shift all of the specific info—plot formula, screenshots, episode summaries, titular song, etc—to each respective season page. The only major addition I could think of would be a section for Seasons, which is exemplified by the Featured List LOEs for The Simpsons and The Sopranos. Cliff smith 06:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

How Soon is Now? and Tears Are Not Enough episode descriptions

These two episodes have the same description, could someone please check this. It doesn't seem right to me. Tinkstar1985 01:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Season 4: 2004-2005

This section is all out of whack, I got no idea how to fix it. Can someone please fix the formatting. Also, looking back through the page history I see that it this section hasn't followed the format used for previous seasons - this should also be corrected. Moreover, can people please stop making edits that sound like advetisements for episodes. Simply outline the story line, do not make it cryptic. "Craig won battle of the bands and something much better" - give me a break, say what you mean, THIS IS NOT A TV GUIDE! Please use the correct encyclopaedic style. Tinkstar1985 12:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Overhaul

I'm hoping by starting this page anew it can leave it's old ways and become a good LOE. The previous version used several different tables was a mes, had broken code, etc, hopefully now with season 1 completed (mostly) as an example others will proceed to do the following for other seasons. I personally don't watch this show so can't do very much to help. Also things like the math equations show really be avoided unless cited. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 00:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I've reverted it back to the old version as it had more information which should be fixed itself instead of entirely removed. I will fix the entire table formatting for all Seasons but will not touch its contents. As for the Episode Naming section, I think that should be moved to Degrassi: The Next Generation Main Paige. The plot formulas should be kept (see above) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xallium (talk • contribs) 01:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

That's fine. I don't think that plot formula thing is going to pass WP:OR, though, so it should go, unless you have a reference that spells out who is A, B, C or whatever. It seems like the titular song would be better on the episode pages since not every episode has one. I also prefer the writer there too, but that's up to you. What I do recommend is that you continue converting this page over to using Template:Episode list. It's way cleaner if someone comes along and wants to edit, without learning a super difficult table. - Peregrine Fisher 01:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Well the table right now... (or before.. kinda confusing now) was styled to include summarizing information applicable to most if not all of the episodes. The template for the Degrassi Episode pages has been created to include the Titular Song field and most episodes titles are based off songs (with the exception of most from Season One). The information for the artists w

as already there prior to when I changed the formatting so I just decide to transplant it.

The addition of the Episode formula was not intended to act as original research to present and advance personal theories but purely for defining, identifing, and summarizing episode information. I'm not sure what the the Template:Episode list but the page shouldn't be that entirely difficult to edit as each constituent per column and row are properly sectioned off, though I do agree it can be a bit clustered and hard to edit at times —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xallium (talk • contribs) 02:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

The episode formula is good info, but belongs with each episode, not the collective list of episodes. Checking out some featured list LOEs would be a good idea to see what this one should look like. Like List of The Sopranos episodes. Cliff smith 05:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, there's a couple other things that should be addressed in this overhaul.
First, as mentioned above, the LOE should probably just be converted to Template:Episode list, since this is exactly what the template was meant for.
Secondly, some episodes are being listed here as two-part episodes when they're really just one that was an hour long. Here they all are:

• "Shout"
• "Holiday"
• "Ghost in the Machine"
• Note that "Holiday, Part 2" is on this list currently in season 4, but isn't at the official episode guide at The N.com
• "Venus"
• "The Lexicon of Love"
• "Here Comes Your Man" (also see my previous note of this above, from November last year)

Episode numbers and the numbers by season should be corrected accordingly. To verify this, go here. Cliff smith 06:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that keeping the formula on the table successfully summarizes information. But it perhaps may not be suitable for the LOE page. Maybe on a new page (for instance if we end up making separate season pages).

I've created separate pages (erm... or plan to create) to avoid AfD criteria. I think it's only listed as an hour long special as they episodes follow after one another. The episodes in question have different credits for each part, respectively. If it needs to be changed, it can be easily done with now fallout as the episode pages have not been created yet...

The formulas are good information, without question, but they really do belong with each season. They just don't belong on the LOE.
Cliff smith 22:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. So I guess our number one priority for the episode page should be creating an actual list and moving the tables we have now to individual season pages.

What do we do about the Webisodes? Where do they fit in.

Well, I'm not 100% on whether or not the Minis are actual episodes. They probably aren't, so they'd go with their respective season article. As for the current tables, they'd go to their respective season articles, yes. This LOE would switch to the Episode list Template and wouldn't use screenshots—those would also go to the season article. This LOE could have one sentence per part of the plot formula. Each part of the formula would be described in more detail in the season article. I recently made an LOE that uses the template and has everything except the short summaries, so you can check it out to see what I mean. It's the List of Everwood episodes. Cliff smith 04:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok. So I redid the LOE page and replaced it with a really retarded rough template page which also links to each of the Season pages. I kept the Minis at the bottom as they occur outside continuity and won't fit in on one of the Season page and it would just be pathetic if they got their own page. Or something —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xallium (talk • contribs) 05:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

That's fine. Once all the info is into those tables, it can be converted to Template:Episode list, or whenever. The seasons section looks good. Maybe the Minis should just have their own article. Cliff smith 05:50, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't get what you mean by converting it to the template.. =/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xallium (talk • contribs) 12:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

Oh, well, I meant the Template:Episode list. But the current tables would probably work. Good job. Cliff smith 19:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh ok. Thanks btw. Oh and I just wanted to see how indented our responses could get... lol

Lol. Thanks to you also, for working so dilligently to fix this LOE. Cliff smith 03:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Episode Summaries

OK. The episode summaries need a major revision. Some have bad grammar, some are too long, and some improperly illustrate plot details (it should basically inform about the plot details which occur [per story arc]). As WikiProject:Degrassi is planning to create articles for each episode, the summaries should only be a synopsis of events which occur in the episode and be no longer than three lines. If the previous summary was useful, it should be moved to the new episode page once created.

Original Airdates

It's unnescessary to create an additional original airdate column. It creates redundancies and you don't need to add all original airdates for each and every country. Perhaps for each separate article page would be more suitable but not for the list.

Oh and the formatting gets screwed up.

The airdates are something that is existential to any LOE. If any column should be moved to another article (like the season articles) it should be the Titular Song column, since this is something that is unique to this particular TV series. Cliff smith 22:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I know that the airdates are needed. I just don't think you need to like add each and every one for like every country.

Oh, yeah, I totally agree. Cliff smith 04:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Alternative airdates are needed, because season six and seven air in the United States before they do in Canada. To keep the tl|episode list looking the same throughout the page, the airdates for US should therefore be included in seasons one through five, which is why I've done it that way in my recent overhaul. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 04:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

EDITING SUMMARIES

Why can't I edit the page? I want to remove the fake titles for season 7.Rocky 22:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Can someone verify the fact that there is going to be a mini called "J.T.'s and Rick's Conversation In Heaven"? If someone doesn't prove it to me in three days I'm removing it. 24.17.187.144 05:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)MistressOfSnape

Notability

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

• The result to redirect all of them due to the fact that nothing has asserted improvement. I would suggest working on the pilot and the finale if any are to be worked on at all. TTN 14:22, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm just passing on information, but apparently, all of the episodes of this series fail the notability guidelines for television episodes. The way for these articles to be improved is through the inclusion of real-world information from reliable sources to assert notability. I'm guessing unless people object, the individual episode articles are to be deleted. -- Matthew Edwards 17:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I am against the deletion of the episodes. I am currently working on a full episode guide for each and every episode. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the deletion because I'm working on a full guide; I'm against the deletion because somebody, anybody is working on a guide. Aside from anything else, what one person finds notable may not be notable for somebody else.

If anybody knows links to reviews in newspapers, discussion in specialist magazines, etc etc, that would help establish notability, and perhaps help keep the pages. Also, I'm looking to find the ratings for each episode of both Canadian viewership and American viewership. If anyone has links to either, please reply here or on my talk page. -- Matthew Edwards 17:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that is not true. Notability is notability. The problem is that some people disregard the notability guideline. i ^said 01:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

• I support the merging and redirecting of these articles. None of them are notable. If sources can be provided to show they are, then maybe, Until then, merge and redirect. Keep the pilot though. i ^said 01:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Merger proposal

I noticed the proposed merger template at the top, and thought I'd voice an opinion. Personally, I think Degrassi Unscripted and D:TNG are separate things, and should be kept separate. I had never heard of Unscripted before seeing this and a couple lone uploads to YouTube. I actually thought it was some kind of fan project. The two are completely different, and merging them would, IMHO, cause confusion. Tuvok[^T@lk/_{Improve me}] 16:14, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

As I made the merger prop, I'll respond. I did a major overhaul of the page in my sandbox over the last week and have put that work here now. I noticed that since the Degrassi Minis were listed and figured that the Unscripteds probably should too, but then I noticed there's three mini series, three web series, and three one-off special episodes. So I planned on listing all the web series, mini-series etc etc, but that made the article WAAAAAAAAAY too long, so I removed the merger and you can now see how I've included the Unscripted onto the episode list.

P.S. I made a new merger prop on Degrassi Unscripted, now to be merged into List of Degrassi: The Next Generation miniseries episodes -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 03:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Featured list candidate

Please support or comment on the nomination of this list for Featured status at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes. Thanks. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Notability 2

I changed my mind about keeping articles for each and every episode, but I still think that articles are needed for each season of the show. If this page becomes a Featured List, and is changed to match other FLs such as List of The Simpsons episodes and List of Smallville episodes, which have no episode summaries, and no season overviews (which has been suggested), then the information included here will have nowhere left to go. I'm therefore going to be bold and revert the mergers. Ovbiously those articles do need working on. I don't mind working on each season's article, and I don't mind leaving it for someone else. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 21:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Season articles are a great idea. -- Ned Scott 00:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Season 7 episodes "Love is a Battlefield" / "It's Tricky"

I've put "LiaB" back in the correct place in the episode list, as episode #122, production #703, with "IT" back at episode #123, prod #704. This is the order it aired on The N in the United States, although CTV appears to be airing it the other way round. However, here at the CTV site, it still gives "It's Tricky" the production code of 704, even though it's their third episode. As of now, the episode list is correct, as it has more to do with production than scheduling. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 21:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Is CTV ever going to air "Love Is a Battlefield"? If not has a reason been announced for pulling it? The episode is not listed at all on CTV's Degrassi S7 page. --Mathew5000 (talk) 12:04, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

From what I've heard, no. They didn't feel the storyline was suitable for their audience, because it basically reverted the characteristics of Paige and Alex to what they were like in season 4, and they wanted the relationship to end on good terms, not bad -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 16:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I guess they realized how awful the episode was..

Now they are airing it, after episode 19. Strange because the episode has Paige’s first day at her job, when in “Pass the Dutchie” she had already been in her job for a while. --Mathew5000 (talk) 05:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

That makes no sense. So they are saying that their is something wrong with lesbianism all of a sudden?199.80.117.25 (talk) 20:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

No, it would seem they were not liking that Paige and Alex reverted to their high school behavior, undoing all the character growth they had both experienced since they started dating. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Summaries

I recently made a rather large WP:BOLD edit, whereby I removed all edit summaries. There doesn't seem to be any point in including them here any more when the individual season articles all have this information and are Featured, too. They've recently been put back in, but other Featured Lists, such as List of Smallville episodes, List of Lost episodes, and List of The Simpsons episodes all leave the summaries to their season pages too. What do other people think? -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 04:33, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I definitely think that we don't need episode summaries for this article anymore. It's just redundant, seeing as the episodes are already outlined in their season's respective articles. In fact, I would go as far as to say that this article is no longer needed. Angel caboodle (talk) 04:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure about that. To me it's like the article acts as sort of a "parent" to the season articles. At least on this a reader can see what the episodes are, where they fit in relation to other seasons, and then click on a link for a season, which is a sub-article. Otherwise you could say only Degrassi: The Next Generation is needed, or even Degrassi. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 16:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I would also say that the recent additions of so called "main characters" is WP:OR and should be removed as unverifiable. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 16:34, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Also agreed, those have no place in a well-formed episode article. Let the episode summary speak for itself.AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, this article should not have summaries if there are individual season pages and with this length of show. However, it should also follow the example of Lost and others and use a special template and a transclude so as not to have to maintain the lists in two pages, and to reduce this page size. It should also be using Main links rather than the tiny template at the bottom, which are very hard to spot (I overlooked it and started to ask where the season pages at all). This article is still, however, relevant and certainly should be kept. It just needs fixing up to follow the standards for an episode list with sublists. AnmaFinotera (talk) 07:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The template to do this has already been created ({{episode list/Degrassi}}), so it shouldn't be that hard to carry out. I'll have a look at the coding used at the Lost pages to see how they transcluded it without the summaries. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 16:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Wrap the episode table in <includeonly></includeonly> tags :) (had to do this for List of Lassie episodes. ;) Then the episode template should have the if to hide the summary in the main list. AnmaFinotera (talk) 17:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Hm, it's actually not set up to hide the summaries when transcluded. I've asked User:Ned Scott to take a look. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 20:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, that's been done, so I'm going to work on the transclude right now. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 21:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I think consistency is important. If other major television series' articles don't include them, I think Degrassi should follow their examples. No matter what, it would at least help Wikipedia look more like it was all put together by a coherent team of people (things can get rather contradictory around here, I've seen). Tuvok[^T@lk/_Improve] 02:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Conversation copied from User talk:Matthewedwards#Degrassi Summaries on 16 April, 2008

I'd like to leave them, it gives fans a chance to remember what happened in which episode. Is there some reason why the summaries should be removed? Robinepowell (talk) 20:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

There are a couple of reasons:

1. there is no point repeating the same information in two places,
2. the page is extremely long, size-wise, and
3. Wikipedia is not a fansite. http://www.degrassitngho.com is, and a very good one at that. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, with encyclopaedic content, and should not pander to the wishes of fans, even if Wikipedia is one of the sites they come to for the information. The link to the relevent season is only one click away, anyway.

Regards, -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 21:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC) P.S. I have copied this conversation to talk:List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes#summaries in order to centralise the discussion. Please continue it there.

Degrassi DVDs

Conversation copied from User talk:Matthewedwards#Degrassi DVDs on 20 April, 2008

Again I'd like to know why the DVDs are listed under the episode section and with the wrong release dates for Canada. There's already a seperate section for DVDs which can be found from the list on the main page which reflects the right release dates for the Canadian DVD releases. Robinepowell (talk) 04:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Please provide evidence, in the form of links to reliable websites which show that the release dates for the Canadian discs are incorrect.

The dates at the main page, and on each season page reflect what is given here.

The article is FEATURED, and follows the style of all other featured episode lists.

It follows the style from the Television Wikiproject

It is a parent article to each season page. It gives an over-view of what is given in more detail at those pages.

Please don't delete content again, and please continue the discussion at the talk page for the article, where I will now copy this thread. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 04:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Can any other reader of this site weigh in with their opinion. It's clear a consensus needs to be reached, as our reverting is getting rediculous and I'm not going to get blocked for 3Ring with her. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 04:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The DVDs belong here. I've removed the table from the main article, the list is the main article for episode information. Robin, your removal was completely inappropriate and I've left you a warning as such. Not only did you remove the table, but you removed the ENTIRE episode list. As for the dates, if you feel they are wrong, provide a reliable source saying so. AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Here is what amazon.ca gives for the Canadian DVD release dates, compared to what the article currently states:

• Season 1 — [1] Oct 19 2004 (article agrees)
• Season 2 — [2] Jun 21 2005 (article agrees)
• Season 3 — [3] Mar 28 2006 (article agrees)
• Season 4 — [4] Mar 6 2007 (article says Nov 28 2006)
• Season 5 — [5] Aug 28 2007 (article says July 3 2007)
• Season 6 — [6] May 27 2008 (article agrees)

Personally I think the dates for Canadian releases given by Amazon.ca are more likely to be correct than the dates given by tvshowsondvd.com but I don't know for certain. --Mathew5000 (talk) 16:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm...any other source we can use to break the tie, so to speak? Only two dates off isn't so bad as to warrant the deletion of the whole section, that's for sure ;) Normally I'd side with TVShowsOnDVD since I've found Amazon tends to be off sometimes by a few days, but TSOD isn't always so good with Canadian dates from what I've seen. The Amazon dates make more sense for the two it disagrees with. AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

More from Robin, copied from User talk:Matthewedwards#Degrassi DVDs on 21 April, 2008

It's supposed to be a section for episodes and yet you continually insist on adding DVDs with the WRONG DATES!!!! WHY?????? The DVDs are listed in another place more acurately, a place I think is better for them.

Why do you want the DVDs listed with the "episode overview". As for the wrong dates why not go to http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/shows/Degrassi-Generation/4977 and see for yourself. The only time that we Canadians had a different release date was Season 1. Robinepowell (talk) 18:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

TVShowsOnDVD is an American site. I don't expect it to have the Canadian dates. Why it does for season 1 is beyond me, but no other DVD release on that site is given a Canadian date. All I can suggest is looking at DVD retailer sites based in Canada, and seeing what they give as dates. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 19:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Conversation copied from User talk:AnmaFinotera#Degrassi on 21 April, 2008

Its already been explained to you by both myself and Matthewedwards. You keep removing it despite our telling you repeatedly that DVD information goes in the episode articles (hello, they are a collection OF THE EPISODES), and that the overview is an important part of a featured episode lists. Your continuing to remove them is nothing more than vandalism, and the page has been protected to stop your inappropriate edits. If you look on the list talk page, you will see a discussion on the dates, and our checking them against other sites. Even if the dates are wrong, that is simply no excuse for you to continue vandalizing the article and removing the entire series overview. I strongly suggest you use the page protection time to rethink your stance on this and your method of editing to make a invalid point or you will likely find yourself being blocked from editing. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

No I'm not going to "re-think" it, why would I? I'm trying to make that page make sense. The DVDs for each season are listed after each season. Besides it was removed for about a month with no problems and now you've decided it should be back.

I'm NOT removing the "entire series overview" as you put it, only the part about DVDs. It's like this info was added as an afterthought, with no rhyme or reason. It's wedged in between the summary of the episodes and the list of episodes.

Here: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/shows/Degrassi-Generation/4977

So, you think your version of "make sense" is somehow better than the consensus of the entire Television project and the Featured List process? No, you need to rethink. We work by consensus. Consensus agrees that the current version of the page makes sense, not your bad removals. So cut it out. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Update episode number

{{editprotected}} Please update the episode number and date in the lead, to read:

As of April 25, 2008, a total of seven seasons and 130 episodes have aired.

Thankyou, -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 23:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Please also change "... that premiered on CTV, a terrestrial television network on October 14, 2001." to

... that premiered on October 14, 2001 on CTV, a terrestrial television network.

Thanks, -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 00:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

 Done I used a parenthetical comma to resolve the style issue. The number of episodes claim should be referenced in an article of this quality. Happy‑melon 10:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Integrations?

Could there be more about List of Degrassi: The Next Generation web series episodes in this article? Also I'm not sure this was properly integrated into Degrassi: The Next Generation, could it be better integrated into here?

...So I'm thinking we get a result like this - rst20xx (talk) 01:42, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think so. The web episodes of Lost are individually notable, in that they were written about and reviewed and commented on in reliable sources. None of the Degrassi ones were. I think the mention of them at D:TNG works fine at the moment, it conveys the same important information without listing the plot of these five minute slots. Also, I've yet to find anything related to writers, directors, or the dates these episodes were uploaded. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 03:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Must get to Ga or FL status

Degrassi: The Next Generation (season 7) must become GA-class or FL-class by 2008-09-23 as the Featured topics/Seasons of Degrassi: The Next Generation currently fails criterion 3.a. Zginder 2008-07-08T20:35Z (UTC)

Season 8 Episodes

Why hasn't anyone added some of the episodes for Season 8 yet? They're listed at CTV's forum by ExecProducer (which has been stated on this site as being Stephen Stone), yet they're not listed here, strange. Robinepowell (talk) 16:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Because forums are not a reliable source, and having nothing but a list of titles is pointless. As I am sure you already know, a page was created, repeatedly. The page has been AfDed and salted until closer to the season premiere, when official information about the season, including not just titles but also airdates, prodcodes, etc are available and can be properly sourced. As this is a series of featured lists and a featured topic, unsourced additions can not be tolerated. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. Right now, the only thing I've found from a RS is http://www.playbackonline.ca/articles/daily/20080505/casting.html. I can't find any RS's about premiere dates, episode titles or anything else. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 04:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what source you're using but the one through CTV's forum lists them. Uptown Girl Parts 1 & 2 are the titles for Season 8 and there will be a four parter titled "Paradise City". Page 3, take a look and add the episodes. http://www.degrassi.tv/view.jsp?BID=1000&MTID=363043 http://www.degrassi.tv/view.jsp?BID=1000&MTID=363043&OFFSET=2

If this doesn't work go to CTV's site, click on D:TNG, then, forums, followed by clubs. It's always under "Shooting Season 3". Robinepowell (talk) 02:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Exactly - it's a forum that requires registration. These should usually be avoided and only used as a last resort kind of thing, and even then they're sometimes questioned. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

So register. Why would you question it? Last time I checked you left the mention that the user "ExecProducer" was actually Stephen Stohn, on the main page of the Degrassi page. Of course it's 100% reliable. He's never been wrong yet. Robinepowell (talk) 15:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I am registered. Other people may not be, or may not want to be. Even though it has been verified that Stephen Stohn is "ExecProducer", it is always better to use sources other than forums to provide notability, and (especially when one has to register to verify) verifiability.

WP:Reliable sources says "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." While comments from the Exec producer may indeed be reliable, any season 8 article created right now would rely on first-party sources, which is a no-no. Self published sources should rarely be used, as "if the information in question is really worth reporting, someone else is likely to have done so."

Wikipedia's General notability guideline says "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be notable... "Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail... Significant coverage is more than trivial but may be less than exclusive." As of today, episode titles alone constitue trivial information. We have no idea about the airdates, writers, directors, plots, etc etc.

I don't really know what else to say about this, perhaps someone else may like to add a comment. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 05:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you, Matthew. I was going to respond to Robinepowell's comment with exactly the same response, but you beat me to the punch. If people have to sign up to a source to realize that it is, in fact, a valid source, it shouldn't be used on Wikipedia. Sources should be available to the public without any sort of registration or user commitment. - k|e|n|g - t | c - 13:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Well then I guess this site isn't too reliabel either. You have to sign in to it. Btw, the Degrassi forums haven't been wrong yet and I'm waiting for the rest of the episodes to come in and I'll list them all here. Robinepowell (talk) 03:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Too right, Wikipedia isn't reliable. Now don't go breaking any rules. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 09:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is as reliable as the sources it uses. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 16:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

How long does it take to get those episodes for Season 8 posted? The Canadian one hour premiere starts in a little over a month! Robinepowell (talk) 23:06, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

As long as it takes for a notable and reliable source to mention it, I suppose. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 23:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Well then go to CTV's Degrassi forums and look it up! They haven't been wrong, ever! Stop waiting on these other reliable sources" for crying out loud, they obviously are behind the times. If I knew how do a grid, I would add them myself. 65.92.249.163 (talk) 01:29, 1 September 2008 (UTC)