Talk:List of Denver RTD rail stations

Renaming Station article titles

Many of the stations in this list have article titles in the format Street/Street when it should be Street & Street, for example 10th/Osage, 20th/Welton, and I-25/Broadway should be 10th & Osage, 20th & Welton, and I-25 & Broadway according to the official website. Other stations such as Decatur/Federal and Louisiana/Pearl correspond to the official naming. The system map does reference all these stations in the same format as the current wikipedia articles (with a dot rather than a slash) but I think that is just for ease of reading and not the official name of the station.

This is a minor issue, but it would be nice to be consistent. Most of the line templates (ie Template:RTD D Line and Template:RTD station map) reference the stations with & and not /. Also there are new stations that will be opening in the new future with more complicated naming structures, specifically 40th Ave & Airport Blvd • Gateway Park and 60th & Sheridan • Arvada Gold Strike.

I think its a simple decision to change 10th & Osage, 16th & California, 16th & Stout, 18th & California, 18th & Stout, 20th & Welton, 25th & Welton, 27th & Welton, 30th & Downing, and I-25 & Broadway to reflect their official name. The other question is whether we continue to use the slash (/) for the other stations. Fastracks, the station signage, and the system map both use the dot (•), although again I think the system map and signage is just for readability (see this picture; Jeffco • Golden is not the official name of the station). The Station information site from which I am basing these name changes uses a dash (-).

Personally I prefer the dot. It matches up more closely with the official signage and system map. Its a little harder to type and I would still prefer to use the slash when the station name occurs in the body of an article but for article names I think it is the best choice. -Killian441 (talk) 21:16, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

As long as the ampersands and other logograms don't cause any trouble, I can go along with 10th & Osage (RTD), 20th & Welton (RTD), and I-25 & Broadway (RTD), Decatur - Federal (RTD) and Louisiana - Pearl (RTD) and the like. For some cases, I like 16th & California/16th & Stout (RTD) ---------User:DanTD (talk) 01:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I updated all of the station names that had a slash instead of an ampersand. I also updated this article to reflect the new names. Going forward I will start to change links so they go directly to the new article names. -Killian441 (talk) 19:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 24 April 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved —  — Amakuru (talk) 09:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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List of Denver RTD light rail stations → List of Denver RTD rail stations – With the introduction of the A Line and other future commuter rail lines, it would be appropriate to expand this from just light rail. SounderBruce 23:56, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

• Comment – what ever happened to WP:BOLD? Why waste time here? Dicklyon (talk) 03:03, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
• Support: simple enough move. And justified. DaltonCastle (talk) 00:04, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
• Support - Agree with reasoning. -Killian441 (talk) 22:16, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
• Comment – does it make sense to "lump" the commuter rail stations in with the light rail stations? Can somebody come up with another example where it's done that way?... (L.A.'s Metro Rail list has heavy rail and light rail stations together, but I can't think of a stations list that mixes either of these with commuter rail stations.) Failing other examples, I'm inclined to oppose in favor of leaving the commuter rail stations out of the list (and perhaps creating a separate list for them). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:41, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Honestly, I would place stations under the same branding (in this case, RTD Rail; in LA's it's all Metro and not separate). SounderBruce 20:24, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
    • But what I'm asking is if there is another example of a stations list article that mixes light rail and commuter rail stations like this... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:07, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
• Support - In other metropolitan regions, light rail and commuter rail serve different markets and functions – take Denver’s neighbor Salt Lake City: electric TRAX serves shorter trips within the Salt Lake Valley, while diesel FrontRunner serves longer trips along the broader Wasatch Front. In metro Denver, the division between “light rail“ and “commuter rail” is less about trip lengths and more about what was constructible. In order to build rail in the freight corridors in the northern half of the metro area, RTD had to build to FRA crashworthiness standards – and that meant “commuter rail”. In the absence of this restriction, the G and N lines could easily have been built as light rail. The A and B lines would have light rail character as well, if the former didn’t extend past Aurora to the airport or the latter beyond Broomfield. The fact that RTD is the only “new” operator of electrified commuter rail in the U.S. underscores this – it wasn’t seeking to build “commuter rail” per se, but simply electrified rail transit. Thus, the distinction is trivial for the average transit rider and s/he will see the ABC rail lines as being part of a single system, not a bifurcated one. It’s time to drop the “light rail”. VNPeO (talk) 02:47, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

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Titles of RTD stations

i propose to consistently use an initial capital in the word "Station" when used in the name of an RTD rail station

on this page and many related pages the names of various RTD rail stations are given without capitalizing the word "station", e.g. "Nine Mile station"; i believe "station" is part of the official name of these, e.g. "Nine Mile Station"; in a review of several RTD web pages i find RTD consistently capitalizes "station" in ordinary text (i disregarded cases where the station name was used as a map label or subtitle) — a few examples are referenced

i came upon this issue when an editor recently decapitalized "station" in many RTD-related articles

Garbanzito (talk) 02:22, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Per WP:USSTATION we would normally default to lowercase station, but cap it if it really is part of the official name of the station. So show evidence of which ones have it as part of proper name and we can fix those. Dicklyon (talk) 03:27, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

From this system map it doesn't look like "Station" is an inherent part of the names (except for Union Station). Dicklyon (talk) 03:35, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

rather than pursue a reference for every single one (assuming that's what you meant i should do) i've got a query into RTD Public Relations on the question; it seems i am applying exactly a particular case described in WP:USSTATION — my references already given show RTD (owner of the stations) capitalizing the word station in what i would call normal text when specifying a station, and not capitalizing it when referencing stations collectively or abstractly; the map labels you mention are not normal text (because of space considerations); look below the map and you will see the capitalized Station included in the names, and the schedules linked from there do the same in the column headings e.g.; in case you aren't familiar with Denver, Union Station is a place name apart from the rail station itself, so RTD simply chose not to call it Union Station Station Garbanzito (talk) 08:57, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

We don't normally defer to outside officialdom for WP style. See WP:SSF. Dicklyon (talk) 13:22, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

that's an interesting essay on the specialized-style fallacy, but i don't see how it applies to consulting the actual owner and namer of the stations; it would suggest that one shouldn't trust RTD's own web pages either, yet you cited one of those pages to counter my proposal; isn't lowercasing station, without respecting what the owner of the stations has chosen, a case of Wikipedia style becoming its own specialized style fallacy?

i feel that my request is being deflected without any response to the pattern of official usage i showed in my references, nor to my explanation of why some of RTD's usage would be abbreviated from the full formal names; would it instead suffice to show a pattern that in Denver the common station name includes, and capitalizes, the word station? we here commonly refer to "Such and Such Station", the City of Denver refers to the stations themselves with station capitalized, and to the area around the stations as "Such and Such Station Area", (those refs are not exhaustive, and i did find two exceptions, which i'd consider mistakes)

many station-related development projects are given names like Alameda Station Village, Park Hill Station Apartments, The Savoy at Dayton Station Apartments,, Lamar Station Apartments, Villas at Wadsworth Station Community, Wadsworth Station West Apartments, Broadway Station Development, ad nauseum Garbanzito (talk) 21:59, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, it's not totally obvious what the right test is for the rather nebulous guideline that "In cases where the word 'Station' is part of the proper name, it should be capitalized." But probably a Denver style is not it. And if you're relying on the official RTD docs for what the names are, that case is considerably weakened by the RTD omitting the "Station" from most of them on the map, but including it on at least one. Just sayin' ... Dicklyon (talk) 07:36, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

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Former stations

The article says that "only one RTD station has been removed from the system", but then lists three: 14th & California, 14 & Stout, and 29th & Walton. Is there some distinction I'm not grasping here? Mackensen (talk) 16:41, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

C & F Lines

Seeing as RTD is permanently discontinuing both lines in January and hasn't opperated either in over a year, should we remove them from the article? FoamingInDenver (talk) 22:40, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes I think they should be removed from the tables, but their suspension/cancellation should also be mentioned in the lead text. –Dream out loud (talk) 18:21, 18 December 2022 (UTC)