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"the only RPG Donkey Kong game to be revealed since Donkey Kong 64"

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As far as I know, neither DK64 or Untitled Wii DK Game are RPGs, so whoever added this must be using an unrealistically broad definition of "RPG" (kinda like the people who think Zelda is an RPG, but taken to the next level of not-an-RPG-ness...) either that or the Wii Donkey Kong game actually is going to be an RPG, which seems doubtful considering the comparison to Donkey Kong 64.

Not sure exactly how to fix it, though... "the only standard Donkey Kong game," maybe? (meaning, DKC/DK64-like controls rather than the bongos/peg-swinging/etc. of recent games) 63.215.28.146 (talk) 19:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

Donkey Kong Wii

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I'm just wondering where that information was found and if it's even true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomajko (talk • contribs) 19:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

NES version released 2 years before the NES itself?

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The entry for the original Donkey Kong includes a listing for the NES in 1983. Am I to assume you meant Famicom here? The NES itself wasn't released outside of Japan until 1985. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 04:27, 15 August 2011 (UTC)Reply

I originally had it as "Famicom", but User:Guyinblack25 commented during the FLC that NES should be used throughout the list as the two systems are identical and the list is intended for English speaking regions. Nomader (talk) 05:15, 15 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I saw the discussion on that in a more general sense on WP:VG, but this is one of those cases where the info really seems contradictory and confusing now. The hardware is nearly identical between Famicom and NES, sure, but they are not actually the same system - NES is specifically a North American product, so to say that DK on the NES was released in 1983 is misleading. I do recommend that we specifically state Famicom here, and have a separate entry for 1985 for the NES release to be more accurate. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:13, 15 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
Also, perhaps an even more important reason to differentiate here: The vast majority of the products listed in this section are North American products, either primarily or exclusively. The "Japanese NES" is the only item that doesn't fit this mold, whereas the "proper" NES (1985) really is North-American and does fit the history better. I think it's perfectly fine to include the Famicom in the list, but as I said this is one of those cases where it makes sense to differentiate it from the NES so as to not confuse or mislead readers. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:18, 15 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
Kiefer- The confusion is dependent on the reader knowing when the NES was released in the North America. That's not to say that there aren't those readers that do. But I don't know if adding the Famicom is the best treatment because that brings a different kind of confusion. Perhaps there's a third option we're not thinking of.
Just to clarify, you believe that the term NES causes confusion given that the term was introduced in 1985, but some of the dates listed are prior to that? And you want to have two separate system releases; one for Famicom in 1983 and another for NES 1985? (Guyinblack25 talk 14:28, 16 August 2011 (UTC))Reply
That's basically what I was recommending, yeah. I don't think showing "Famicom" and linking to the NES article will create all that much confusion. I'll draft it up if you haven't already. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:57, 17 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
Okay, now that I've done that, I see part of the rationale for having kept it as NES for all the listings - there are some cases where, when the release is after 1985, the region of release is ambiguous; and there are other places in the text where similar changes need to be made. I still think it can be misleading to say "NES" for a Famicom-specific release, but it doesn't seem like it causes that much harm here. I'll leave my change in place for now - if you think it does cause too much confusion or inconsistency, feel free to revert it. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:09, 17 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
I think it can go either way (only NES or separate NES and Famicom) and the confusion will be minimal for both. I think the effected audience will be the general gamer that knows a little history, but not the whole story.
What about mentioning that it was "a launch title for the Japanese release of the NES in 1983" in the notes? Would that address the confusion from both sides? (Guyinblack25 talk 17:30, 18 August 2011 (UTC))Reply
I thought about "NES (Japan)", but figured that would actually make things worse, because then people like me would go "But it's not the NES in Japan - it's the Famicom!". I still believe that, when there's a notable Japan-only release (like DK in 1983), we should use the Japanese name of the console and link to its main article, which in this case is Famicom -> NES. When the release is more general (like with DK Jr. in 1986, for both Famicom and NES), we should use the more common name (NES).
I'm one of those sticklers for accuracy, personally, and whether it's "reader-friendly" or not, as an encyclopedia, I think we should have the most accurate information available. I just have a hard time renaming the Famicom as the Japanese NES, because it actually takes a lot more knowledge of the two consoles to know that they are virtually identical and thus the statement is accurate. To most non-technical readers, the Famicom and NES are related, but not the same console. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 20:18, 18 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
There is a larger discussion about this as its also come up in Dragon Warrior recently and several other times in the past for editors not familiar with the history of video games.陣内Jinnai 01:09, 19 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
Kiefer- Here's the discussion link: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#(Super) Famicom or (Super) Nintendo Entertainment System.
Not to get off on too much of a tangent, but I think what we're saying is not inaccurate, just generalized. Calling the Famicom the Japanese NES shouldn't cause confusion except for a small portion of our readers that are aware of the Famicom and some basic information about it. I'd say that the majority of our readers are ignorant to the topic, which is why I felt we should avoid confusing them. (Guyinblack25 talk 17:15, 22 August 2011 (UTC))Reply
Two sides of the same coin, really. My opinion (and I'll share it at the larger discussion too) is that we should be as accurate and specific as possible within reason. I don't mean that we should necessarily delineate every single release on every single system, but when we do mention one in particular, we should use the correct name of the system. But this is just my opinion, and as always I'll bow to consensus. :) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 20:52, 22 August 2011 (UTC)Reply

List organization

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The basic organization of this list is confusing. For example, Donkey Kong on the Game Boy Advance defined as an "arcade game", but Donkey Kong on the Game Boy is defined as a "handheld game". I know they're different games, but there's no reason to consider them to be fundamentally different types of video games. They're still the same type of game regardless of which type of hardware they first appeared on. I think that the type headers should be removed and they should all be listed in 1 list, sorted by year of first appearance. The type organization is completely artificial and just makes the list confusing. Kaldari (talk) 05:34, 15 August 2011 (UTC)Reply

Donkey Kong on the Game Boy is a completely different game from the one released for the Arcade; it is released in a monochrome color scheme because of its hardware limitations, and implements completely different types of control and levels than the original game due to its later release. Although an artificial split, I feel that that's what most lists really are; we're limiting everything from something. The headers serve as a good way to split up the huge blocks of information that are present in the list and the different types of games which are released. That said however, I feel that your issue deserves broader discussion than just my one response; I've asked for comment from other video game editors at WT:VG (you can find the exact section here). Nomader (talk) 06:01, 15 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
One benefit that the current format has is that it shows the re-releases of the entry, which illustrates the longevity of some of these games. That would be lost in a sortable list.
The current organization also helps differentiate between the re-releases and new games (like the Game Boy Advance and Game Boy example mentioned above). I remember spending a long time sorting out the different ports and new releases for List of Space Invaders video games; it was very confusing until I started documenting it. I don't think that the information would translate well to a sortable list. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:47, 16 August 2011 (UTC))Reply
Taking it from Kaldari's side, the division for a number of them seems rather arbitrary; updated graphics and sound should be considered par for the course with better hardware. The control difference between an arcade vs. handheld or console is minimal. It would be better to group them by their video game genres.
As for noting remakes, there are a number of ways to note that.陣内Jinnai 16:43, 16 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
Any suggestions to do so in a sortable list? (Guyinblack25 talk 16:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC))Reply
For a sortable list? For those you'd generally have the first year or release (ignore remakes), the title, the genre and the consoles. The other way is to have the console section list the dates. It's less clear that way though what one is the intial one unless you color code it.
I think you could afford to have 2 lists here if having a sortable list is really that important. One that organizes just the initial releases and one that covers every release with special notes (ie like now), but not split by hardware.陣内Jinnai 01:11, 17 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
Personally, I fine with the current format and like that the re-releases are in there. But I'm more than willing to address concerns brought up to present the information the best possible way. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:36, 17 August 2011 (UTC))Reply
I think the key here is that Kaldari is saying that the games released on console/handheld use essentially the same mechanic, but are spread apart placing undue weight on their hardware release even though the gameplay mechanics behind them are relatively unchanged; indeed the fact that several of those arcade games have been re=released on a console/handheld supports that argument imo.陣内Jinnai 01:12, 19 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
Ok. I think I'm up to speed now. Based on that, the list would be divided into "Platform games" and "Other genres"? That doesn't sound too bad.
Nomader- Thoughts? (Guyinblack25 talk 16:32, 22 August 2011 (UTC))Reply
Actually looking at this list, I'm really not sure why I made the split in this particular way. I used the genre sort of split in List of Wario video games and List of Kirby media when I worked on those, and it seems to me like the other video game lists (with the exception of List of Space Invaders video games) all use the genre format. I have no objection to any sort of change in that manner; on a side note, however, I may not be able to update the list myself as my university activities are taking up more and more of my time. I'll try to pitch in and do it soon, but I can't reliably say that I can make those changes myself right now. Nomader (talk) 21:25, 22 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
Guyinblack25: I'd have no problem with that change, but you should ask Kaldari.陣内Jinnai 23:37, 22 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
Notified Kaldari[1]
In regard to the genre approach to series lists, I think it is probably the way to go. However, I don't see how it can effectively apply to the Space Invaders list. 99% of the games on the list are shooting games. Sections like compilations and other titles further complicate things. Can anyone think of a better format than by hardware? (Guyinblack25 talk 15:50, 23 August 2011 (UTC))Reply
In that case the most neutral way would devide them by decades. 1980s, 1990s, 2000s...陣内Jinnai 15:58, 23 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
I think organizing it by game genre makes a lot more sense, especially for a franchise like Donkey Kong which has seen so many releases on different hardware. Kaldari (talk) 18:13, 29 August 2011 (UTC)Reply
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VIC-20 release of first Donkey Kong game?

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The article is missing a a release year for the Commodore VIC-20 version of the first Donkey Kong game. Ought to be fairly early, as the VIC-20 was on the market before most of the other listed home computers. Please add it if you can. -- 2003:C0:973F:5700:1A07:7E20:B066:1ECB (talk) 20:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

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