Talk:List of Earth starships in Stargate

Phoenix and Asgard Core

I'm wondering, did the phoenix have an asgard core like the odyssey? on the last man i saw a room that looked alot like the core room in the odyssey (except the asgard terminal was moved to the bridge). what do you think. Ss9999 (talk) 01:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Something has to be controlling the asgard tech, so I guess there is some kind of asgard core. Maybe not as complicated as the one the Asgard made themselves as the only bit of Asgard tech we've seen them use is the weapons, but something must be controlling those weapons. --Tango (talk) 16:42, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. I wondered that too, especially because the Daedalus and the Apollo had the same style engineering room as before.

Vala M (talk) 17:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Well we know all ships had Asgard tech on them before the computer core was added. I'm guessing it's not required. I feel the computer core was given to them as a way to better understand the Asgard knowledge they were given and a way to interface with that knowledge. I'm guessing it's not required. To be honest it make no sense for them to build a new computer core on any other ship...in fact I'd build one on earth and keep it under lock and key. Terryrayc (talk) 17:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Unlisted Technology:

I noticed a few bits of tech that aren't mentioned in the article, chief among them are artificial gravity and inertial dampening. Earth got them from the Gou'ld, who likely got them from the ancients, though it is shown in the series that even 'independently developed' cultures (such as the Asgard) have the technology as well. Based on the story though, earth likely reverse-engineered the tech from the Gou'ld, when they developed the F-302's.

Ghostwo 17:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The reason they aren't mentioned is because, as far as I know, they aren't explicitly mentioned in the series. If you try and make a connection between these bits of tech and any other culture without strict sources, it is considered original research and thus is not permitted. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 00:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

it's a tough call. While both of those are talked about in the show, inertial dampening for one is talked about several times in Atlantis, they never talk about where they come from. Now we know they had the tech before the Asgard upgraded them so we can be sure they got it from the Gou'ld. That being said, while you can list them as included tech on the ships you cannot say for sure where they got it. Terryrayc (talk) 14:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

It shouldn't be added since it was never explicitly talked about in the show. That is why I never mentioned or tried to add it in the past.

Vala M (talk) 20:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Earths first modern ship was the X-301, basically a retro-fitted deathglider (possesing both inertial dampeners and some form of artificial gravity). It's successor, the F-302 is a similar craft built from scratch, including the inertial dampeners. The captured deathgliders have to be the original source for Earth's inertial dampener technology. There's little point arguing about who the original inventor was, when the source of the tech from earths point of view is well documented as being the gou'ld. Ghostwo 18:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Moved archives

Incase anyone notices, I moved the archives to match the new page name so nobody thinks they are lost. Vala M (talk) 20:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

8 fighters?

I may be wrong but i specificalily remember that an x-303 has 8 fighters but the x-304s have 16. I am just confused by a portion of the article that states all ships carry 8 fighters. I just want to make sure I'm not wrong before doing anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KIHP (talk • contribs) 20:38, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Where was it stated that they all carry 16 fighters? So far, the episodes don't agree with that statement, so far as I can tell. If you can provide a source, though, that'd be great and we'll figure out the best place to include it. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 02:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't saying 304's always have 16 just that there capicity is 16 and probaly more in case they have to take on jumpers or another ships fighters in case of emergency. I only have the box set for season 1 of atlantis so I have no actual concrete episode but I have watched every atlantis almost every post season 6 sg-1, so I specificalily remember that at least for the daedalus 16 has been stated so 16 is most likely the standard 304 capacity. I also remember that 8 was stated for the prometheus so that is most likely the 303 capacity. The reason I posted this disscussion is to make sure its proper knowledge and someone remembers actual episodes to site. I could have just changed the article but i want to make sure its completely concrete since alot of people might use the page for information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KIHP (talk • contribs) 15:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, misunderstanding :) The article already mentions that the 304s can carry 16, but have yet only been seen to carry eight. As mentioned above, if any evidence can be found that the 304s normally carry 16 and not the eight we've come to see, then we can revise, but I'd suggest that right now, we leave the wording as-is. I'm not comfortable with the lack of citations regarding these numbers as it is... — Huntster (t • @ • c) 00:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

it is mentioned in the serries that the Oddessy and the Daedalus carry 16 F-302s, so the artcile should be changed :-)

(STARGATE SG-1 PWNS ALL SCIFI SHOWS GO STARGATE!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.117.48.42 (talk) 00:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Image idea

Whilst I do not have the skills to, would it be possible for someone to recreate the uniform patches for the page, for example the Apollo uniform badge seen here if someone with the skills could recreate this on the computer images of the ships logo could be used in the article...if that makes sense, i feel it would look pretty good and help define each ship.(86.163.52.43 (talk) 12:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC))

Why not just use the screenshots? It's still copyrighted, whether you take it directly or recreate it yourself. --Tango (talk) 14:30, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

It was just an idea.(86.163.52.43 (talk) 09:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC))

Daedalus Top Speed

I added the following

The Daedalus class ships employ an Asgard intergalactic hyperdrive which based on the fact that the distance between the Milky Way and the Pegasus Galaxy is 3 million light years gives the Daedalus a top speed greater then 5952 light years per hour. With a ZPM onbard that speed increases to over 31250 light years per hour.

I based this off the ep regarding the gate bridge where it was stated that the distance between the two galaxys was 3 million light years. Seeing how it takes the Daedalus 3 weeks (21 days) to reach there we know they have to be traveling atlease 5952lph to cover just the distance between, we could probably guess that they are going a lot faster, probably something in the 6500lph range but we cannot report it with fact, only that they haev to be traveling greater then 5952. I base the zpm speed of the same information but using the stated 4 days travel time which makes the top speed greater then 31250lph Terryrayc (talk) 20:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I've removed this for now; you can state that the Daedalus can make a 3 million light-year trip in 3 weeks, but extrapolating any speed out of that would be original research. -- Yzx (talk) 23:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

As long as you state "average speed", you're fine. Assuming the speed is constant would be speculation, but everything else is stated in a reliable (primary) source. Simple mathematical calculations based on referenced figures doesn't count as original research. --Tango (talk) 00:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd have to agree with Tango here. This isn't OR, they give us the distance and time, that's all that's required for speed. Because I stated 'at least' it should be fine. It is based on reference data, not guesses. Terryrayc (talk) 13:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The same would apply to the section you removed from the Prometheus, again they give us distance and time which is all you need for speed. I'd probably remove the part that says that makes them faster then any one else because that would be OR. However using numbers they provide removes the OR issue. Terryrayc (talk) 13:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Anyway I'll clean up the Prometheus section and readd them later as long as no one can give me a strong reason why not...please do not misread that Yzx. Terryrayc (talk) 13:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

It would be nice to know how far Earth is from the edge of the edge of the Milky Way, as well as how far Lantea is from the edge of Pegasus galaxy. Then a more accurate speed coule be calculated. Of course it is not original research to input distance traveled and divide by time taken to calculate average speed.Jt85858 (talk) 13:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Would it be possible to add the distance that the Prometheus covered while still on a direct route to Atlantis (before dirverting to respond to the emergency broadcast of the Al'kesh), in the Episode Prometheus Unbound (SG-1 Season 8 episode 12, although it is episode 11 on the Australian DVD release of the season 8 box set) as it was still well inside the Milky Way? This distance could be added to the total distance traveled by the Daedalus when doing a speed calculation based on a journey from Earth to Lantea. The reason I am suggesting this is that it would give a closer indication of the speed of the Daedalus. I will watch the episode and see if a distance can be calculated based on known facts, such as previously staded speeds. If I am completely wrong in making this suggestion, please go easy on me. This is my first attempt at contributing to wikipedia.org. I thought I would start with something I am passionate about, so I choose to start with stargate.Jt85858 (talk) 13:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

No offense, but this sounds like what only a harcore fan would be interested in. Calculations based on fictional indications is not a good idea, because the writers likely just made up the numbers to begin with. If this doesn't discourage you from contributing to wikipedia's Stargate coverage, please try to find production and reception information about Earth starships from reliable sources, such as from production sketches, audio commentaries, or companion guides. – sgeureka ^t•c 13:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

f-302 engines

I think the f – 302s are using two Ion engines and a Rocket motor. Earth got Ion engine technology in the episode “Space Race”(Stargate SG1). In the episode “First Strike”(Atlantis) you see the flame of two engines witch originally was for the jet/aerospike engines. When a full burn is called to try to move an asteroid, you see the rocket motor ignite.--Tracker188 (talk) 07:37, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

1. That's an assumption and can't be added to wikipedia without onscreen evidence.

2. The F-302 has been around far longer then Earth having Ion Engine technology and it's design hasn't changed.

- 202.171.161.250 (talk) 06:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

New Engine

This was added

an experimental power supply on board the vessel put the crew in jeopardy. This power source shifted the Daedalus through various alternate realities

However If I remember it was not an experimental power supply but an experimental engine that shifted them. While it is true the engine has an experimental power supply all that did was supply power not do the shifting. Terryrayc (talk) 15:09, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I corrected the write up to state engine not power supply. Terryrayc (talk) 18:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Moved archives

Incase anyone notices, I moved the archives to match the new page name so nobody thinks they are lost. Terryrayc (talk) 20:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

A bit of ambiguity...

I'm a bit concerned about the following paragraph- A) At superficial reading it implies the Prometheus is Daedalus class B) It implies the ships were all in service concurrently (I know this has been fleshed out in full earlier in the article)

For you consideration...

Status quo

Five Daedalus-class battlecruisers have thus far appeared in Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis. The color of the lighting and the map behind the commander's chair is different for each ship. The Prometheus is white,[18] the Daedalus is green,[31] the Odyssey is orange,[27] the Korolev is purple[36] and the Apollo is blue.[32] The Phoenix has no map, as it is replaced by an Asgard console.[37] The alternate reality Daedalus from "The Daedalus Variations" also has an orange map instead of green, which Writer and Supervising Producer Alan McCullough stated was done intentionally to differentiate it from the Daedalus of this universe.[38]

Proposed

Earth-built ships are distinguishable by their distinctive interior lighting; notably the lighting of the bridge and the back-lighting for tactical map behind the commander's chair. The Prometheus and Korolev were white and purple respectively. The Odyssey is orange, the Korolev is purple[36] and the Apollo is blue.[32] While the Daedalus is green,[31] its counterpart from "The Daedalus Variations" is also distinctive, with an orange map(a deliberate ploy according to Writer and Supervising Producer Alan MCullough ) [38]. The Phoenix (currently only featuring in the alternative timeline "Last Man Standing") has no map and is replaced by an Asgard console. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proberton (talk • contribs) 01:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Please fix/change everything that doesn't work for you, as you see fit. – sgeureka ^t•c 08:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Prefix Designations

This could be a really stupid question, but i'm gonna jump right in and ask...

Why are spacecraft under the provenance of the Airforce referred to as USS- XXX? Isn't this a Navy designation?

Now I concede generally, when hailing unidentified craft the callsign "the Earth-ship [shipname]" is used but when we talk about names and designations, we're talking about the name on the side of the chasis. The Prometheus is most definitely USAF, it can clearly be seen rising out of the hanger bay in "Prometheus" (6.11). Proberton (talk) 02:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I never paid attention to the exact designations of the Earth space ships. Maybe they never had a USS designation, and it was just added by fans here (in which case it should be removed). But unless we have an in-show explanation (i.e. character dialog) or an explanation by the producers, we can't explain it in this article either because that would be WP:Original research. – sgeureka ^t•c 08:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

For each instance of a USS prefix, it was either confirmed by dialog or by visual evidence, typically the large bronze-coloured seal that is on each ship's bridge, crew patches and logos, or something that was otherwise very clearly visible on-screen. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 08:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Managed to "find" a copy Daedalus Variations. The plaque is very clearly visible. Some very interesting information particularly the fact that the USS Daedalus is part of the "Deep Space Defence Fast Attack Wing". Not sure how to incorporate this information, or even if we can attribute it the Daedalus of the 'normal' universe? Proberton (talk) 00:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, re: interesting info. However, I recall seeing the Daedalus plaque, and I don't remember the Fast Attack Wing designation. I think that may be just the alt. universe ship. Given that the alt. universe Daedalus was a one-off thing (as of right now, of course), I don't see any real need to incorporate such data into the prose for that particular ship, and none of it can be applied to "our" universe's version. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 04:27, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted to report that the name plate for the Daedalus (the real one) can be see in Episode ten of Season five First Contact around 35 minutes in, during the scene where the Wraith Todd is onboard the Daedalus on the bridge, he's just been handed an ear peice to communicate with his hive ship, and he paces right past it. It is identical to the same prop from Daedalus Variations, you'll get a better look at its finer detail in that episode though than in First Contact. Haven't seen the ep in high definition so I can't make out the smaller writing, but at least this confirms the Daedalus has the USS prefix in our reality.

Regarding the other writing, using the Daedalus Variation closeup of the plaque, I see three phrases bordering the primary ship's name and picture. First up top, curved over the image is "Advanced Tactical Deployment", second just above the "USS Daedalus" writing is "Deep Space Defense", and underneath the ship's name is "Fast Attack Wing". Hopefully we can find a screenshot somewhere to use as factual evidence rather than my say-so, but that is what I can make out now. I was wrong earlier about the ship's plaque saying it was apart of the Second Tactical Wing, and for that I am sorry, I'll remove those references I put in now. I'm fairly sure that the name plates used in the two episodes are one and the same though if that is of any help. 81.110.108.151 (talk) 18:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Very interesting, and also very helpful. I'm in Australia, and don't have access to all of Season 5 (I'm a straight to DVD, off the shelf person). If you've seen a visible prop, I say add it where appropriate and cite it. I have a screen grab of the Alternative Daedalus' plaque if any one is interested, from Daedalus Variations. I wonder if we can get some clarification on how to use the "Advanced Tactical Deployment","Deep Space Defence" and "Fast attack wing"... is it like a Company, Platoon, Brigade hierarchy? hmmmm... its a nice little challenge to sink our teeth into! Proberton (talk) 04:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

It would be great if we could get solid screen caps (where we can make out those finer details and all the texts) of their bridge plates. We won't be able to do it for every ship, it usually relies on a fortunant camera angle caught by a sharp eyed watcher. But that way we could work out which badges are unique to a ship and which ones are generic titles. The Apollo is the only one seen so far to be apart of The Second Tactical Wing, but I believe all the bridge plaques show the "Deep Space Defense" portion. It would be nice to see for certain, such is the reason I won't add my observations for now, but once we get it confirmed we can add more of those details in. They're certainly valid intel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.108.151 (talk) 17:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Just caught the brass plaque of the Daedalus in 5.01 Search and Rescue its 19:55 from the start. Same enscription. Its really not good enough for a screen capture though. Subsequent to that I have discovered the pilot/helmsman is 'Kevin Marks', USAF. In addition ( lol) there is a tape on Caldwell's right sleeve; "1st T.F.W." Tactical Fighter Wing?? Proberton (talk) 16:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, no definitive explanation for TFW or TW has been given, though "Tactical Fighter Wing" and "Tactical Wing" are most probable. There used to be a mention of the 1TFW bit in the old article, so I'm not sure where it went. Also in "Search and Rescue" (so I can add a source)? — Huntster (t • @ • c) 22:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I say it's okay to add it as a source, if you're thinking of uploading an image of the plaque itself I'd recommend using the closeup from Daedalus Variations, its the cleanest shot we'll likely ever get and it is 99% certain to be the same plate, I can't find any differences from its other background appearences (plus the dialogue in the ep appeared to show the characters identifying it as "our daedalus" on inspection, suggesting no obvious differences that would scream "This isn't your Daedalus"). Or we could just reference an ep displaying the bridge plate without a screenshot, we've made it clear on this discussion page where the info came from. It appears all ships have these bronze bridge plates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.108.151 (talk) 12:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I can organise a screen shot of the Daedalus Variations plaque. What image policies will we be confronted with though? Proberton (talk) 13:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

If you want to use the image merely as a source, you should reference the episode and the minute of appearance instead of uploading the image. Plus, screenshots of one-episode appearances with neither in-universe or real-world importance fail WP:NFCC#8 almost immediately. – sgeureka ^t•c 15:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

FINALLY! My question answered... IN SGU 1.01 "Air Pt 1", behind Eli Wallace is a static video screen with 'USS' George Hammond on it... only took 14months lol! The timestamp is 11:39. Paul Roberton (talk) 02:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

"spoiler edit/revision"

May be its worth locking it until the final Episode of Season 5 has aired in the US? ( Unless that's already happened) Paul Roberton (talk) 12:05, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Not enough (good faith) disruption to justify a page protection at this point. If the information keeps getting added, better try for a hidden <!--comment--> first and revert if necessary. – sgeureka ^t•c 12:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

VERY neat solution, and a BIG thank you for taking my concern seriously - it would have been very easy to tell me to 'get over' it and be more careful when reading wiki articles lol... Happy New Year everyone, and roll on SGU! Paul Roberton (talk) 14:23, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if Enemy at the gate has aired in the US since these comments were made, though the episode HAS been uploaded onto youtube in 5 parts. Obviousy those who have seen the episode would know that there would need to be quite a few changes and additions made to a number of pages due to this episode.Jt85858 (talk) 13:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

If you have a source that can be verified without engaging in illegal activities, then and only then will it be allowed on wikipedia. It's just a few days left until the ep "officially" premieres anyway. – sgeureka ^t•c 13:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

In-universe template

I've marked this article with the In-universe template, for obvious reasons. As it's written now, the article's style and tone are much more appropriate for e.g. stargate.wikia.com than for Wikipedia. John Darrow (talk) 23:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

True. We'll work on that. Longchenpa (talk) 18:08, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Earth Ships Combat Record

Is it just me, or do Tau'ri ships have a pretty crummy combat record? Prometheus and Odessey especially. I think the only naed human starship to have not lost a fight is the General Hammond (aka Phoenix - Enemy at the Gates) and that is only because it nev er actually entered the battle!

I cant actually think of an example of Prometheus winning a battle on its own (Sesaon 7 Lost City doesnt count, it had help)

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Griffin 2-6 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Griffin 2-6 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC) \

The Prometheus-class ship(BC-303) supposed to be the Tauri's only kind of capital ship because it was mentioned that it had a pretty outstanding combat record(at the time, BC-304s now make it seem like crap lol) and was a warship cappable of taking on Ha'taks. However, when the asgards installed upgrades onto it, the Prometheus wasn't advanced enough to utilize it, resulting in the BC-304(Daedalus)-class. BC-304s are very powerfull warships, especially after getting the asgard's final upgrades. The Oddessy was given the honnor of being the first Tauri ship to aquire it. Plus, the Oddessy was the first ship to destroy an Ori warship in direct combat, something not even an Asgard ship has been seen doing. Other BC-304s have been mentioned(especially the Daedalus)as tough, destructive warships despite not having very effective-anti shield weapons other than the Asgard beam weps. If that doesn't count as an outstanding combat record, than what counts as outstanding? :-)

General Hammond or George Hammond?

In a photo the name plaque of the ship that was formerly the Phoenix is shown. Its the George Hammond, but in the Atlantis finale its said as the General Hammond. Which should be included. The link to the photo is http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=231451&fullsize=1 Kosridge (talk) 14:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

A GateWorld article calls it the George Hammond and states that it is not called the General Hammond, contrary to dialogue. See (spoiler warning): http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/07/comic-con-booth-shows-off-destiny-new-stargate-universe-footage/2/ Based on this I'll modify the article. Black Sabre (talk) 08:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Just watching SGU 1.01. at 11:35 in, behind Eli Wallace is a static video screen that reads: USS George Hammond. Paul Roberton (talk) 02:11, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

How big is a BC-304?

Does anyone have any idea how large one of these ships is? In Ark of Truth it is almost as wide as the Supergate, which Samantha Carter estimated to be 400m across (Season 9: Beachhead). based on that number, i would estimate it to be approx 350m wide and therefore about 600-700m long.

Does anyone have any more exact measurements/ideas? Griffin 2-6 (talk) 18:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

On Stargate Wiki (which uses "Stargate Atlantis: The DVD Collection 70" as a source) it's listed as being: Length=225, Width=95m, Height/Depth=75m... although that seems much too small. Here's the 304 link on SG wiki. It also uses "Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 62", which gives slightly different measurements. So, that doesn't seem too useful...—Anubis 10545 (talk) 23:36, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Asgard Technology

Presumably, when the Asgard gave all their most advanced tech to the Odyssey, that also included there intergalactic holographic communications (Red Sky) and their absurdly fast intergalactic hyperdrives (about an hour between Ida and Milky Way, if that, Small Victories).

If so, how come we have not seen any of these fantastic things yet?

Griffin 2-6 (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

In Unending, Daniel spends 50 years trying to decipher all of the Asgard database's secrets, then forgets them as they reverse the time dialation field. Presumably, the database is still being deciphered.

Had not thought of that. Good point. Presumably, even if they decipher the databse they still may not be able to build the super-duper hyperdrives etc anyway

Although, they DID build new ray-guns for Daedalus, Apollo and the rest, AND they can use the beaming thing to turn stuff into other stuff (like star trek replicators i guess) so you must be right, they havent found the specs yet Griffin 2-6 (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

It may also be that to truely perform at those kind of Hyperdrive speeds, it would require a radically different vessel. I remember Thor's science vessel appearing alongside the Prometheus, and appeared to be many times larger, at least five times bigger. This could be some sort of unexplained hyperdrive field dynamics, or something as simple as needing the extra space for power generation and the better drive. Remember, we have been shown that the 304s can go many times faster with a ZPM fitted, suggesting it is the power requirements rather than the drives themselves that may be holding the 304s back from further speeds. It could also be as simple as a BIOS upgrade, as per the Aurora's hyperdrive modifications from Interstellar to Intergalactic mainly being changes in formulas used by the computer. My particular theory that it is the Asgard had power generation on the level of ZPMs, just not in the same compact form, and that most of thier ships was actually the machinery necessary to run them; as opposed to flight decks, hundreds of crew members, and cargo decks ect on the BC-304 ships; and that they simply don't have that kind of an infrastructure on the current Earth ships to work at that level, and designing a new class of ship would require a very thorough understanding of the Asgard database AND a great deal of experimentation, essentially it could take decades even if it were classified as a top priority to design a bigger, faster vessel at the peak of the knowledge they now have at their fingertips to learn. 86.133.58.214 (talk) 18:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Air Force Naval Vessels?

Can someone explain to me why the CHAIR FORCE has starships instead of the Navy? Sure most SG Teams are Air Force, but come on! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.122.95.211 (talk) 01:50, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Considering that the Stargate program is run by the Air Force, I'd expect starships also attached to the program to also be run by the Air Force. Where is it stated that the Navy must run anything considered a "ship"? For that matter, both the Air Force and the Army both operate naval vessels, and of course the Navy operates aircraft from their carriers. There is plenty of overlap between the various services. — Huntster (t @ c) 02:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, spaceships fly, not sail :) -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 11:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

'Korolev' & 'Sun Tzu'

Named after Sergei Korolev (mastermind behind the Soviet space rockets) and Sun Tzu (Chinese military theorist). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 10:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Can we remove the 'needs reliable sources' banner ?

Since everything is fiction, only things officially affiliated with the show could be used as sources. There's no other sources that are true to cannon.I think its disingenuous to put this banner on this (and MANY similar pages) which implies that it's unreliable when there is genuinely no other material to work from. Its not like the facts here are in doubt or have multiple interpretations, just that the tv show telling us isn't good enough for a wiki article about the tv show. Sure, put something about it being fictional... But don't devalue people's work in this style of article because there have been no scholarly texts on the subject of SG1 space ships.

08:32, 29 November 2010 (UTC)