Talk:List of English words of Ukrainian origin
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Listcruft
editUser:Stifle added the "listcruft" tag to this article. What is the specific objection to it?
This list belongs with others in Category:Lists of English words of foreign origin. It is referenced: all of the words appear in my Canadian Oxford Dictionary (2004), the majority listed there as Ukrainian in origin (four as Russian and one Polish, but they correspond precisely to words borrowed in parallel from Ukrainian, and are significant in Ukrainian history or culture). —Michael Z. 2006-04-02 00:48 Z
- I feel that it is a list of interest to very few people, apparently created just for the sake of having such a list. Stifle 00:52, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
- This list belongs with the over 30 other articles in Category:Lists of English words of foreign origin. It is a referenced, verifiable, and fairly complete list of English loan words borrowed from Ukrainian, directly related to the other articles linked from this one. It has nothing in common with any of the examples of spurious lists at Wikipedia:Listcruft#Examples.
Merge proposal
editShoot mee, I see no way you can clearly separate the two lists. The massive duplication obscures any smart idea of their separation. Even if you manage to provide transparent guidelines, people will screw it up.
By the way, I smell original research here. Those who will insist of keeping them separately, lease provide reputable references that cover the disctinction. `'mikka (t) 08:58, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
English words
editWhile the merge of two similar articles is welcome, it seems that all of the new words added are either proper names (Drahomanivka, Holodomor, Maidan Nezalezhnosti, Shchedryk), or simply Ukrainian words which have not been borrowed into English at all. Some have direct English translations, and might occasionally see use as italicized foreign terms in English, with special meaning in a particular historical or cultural context (duma=epic poem, horilka=spirits or whisky, kobzar=bard, lirnyk=minstrel, polkovnyk=colonel, maidan=square). A few may have no direct translation, but are only useful in a Ukrainian cultural context, and would still be used as italicized foreign terms. —Michael Z. 2006-09-01 19:48 Z
- It is very difficult to split the hair when the usage is too narrow to claim that it is not really an English word yet. So better to have alow threshold, since people can see the word in some English text and seek wisdom in wikipedia. A recent case of a transition from obscure to "mainstream" is "maidan", no?
- BY THE WAY, the article is still in a sorry state... - üser:Altenmann >t 11:22, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Babushka
editWhy the "Babushka" have ukrainian origin ? If you see the disambig Babushka, you can read, that is a Russian word meaning "grandmother," and it's right ! You can see ukrainian thesaurus, and you can NOT find this word - search by "Бабушка". Ukrainian words, translation of "Babushka" is "Баба (Baba)", "Бабуня (Babunya)", "Бабця (Babtsya)". So, I delete this word from that list. --Movses (talk) 08:55, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Kurgan
editThe term "kurgan" would fit more correctly on a page called 'List of Ukrainian words of Turkic origin'. Please verify via [1] Дякую! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:4F20:3445:35FC:22F5:53A4:C0A2 (talk) 12:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)