Talk:List of Gilmore Girls characters

Jess, alleged domestic abuse and other issues.

I don't think there's any evidence of Jess being beaten by his mother, so I'm proposing to revise this entry. However, I'm happy to be contradicted if any contributors have spotted credible evidence of this backstory which I've missed. I also think the interpretation of Rory and Lane's dialogue in 4.22 seems over-elaborate and perhaps offers too much opinion. --LadderCrime (talk) 10:16, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Rewrote the entry to remove the above in the absence of replies, but obviously it can be amended if I'm missing something about the abuse. Some overlap with Rory's love life on Gilmore Girls and in Rory and Luke's entry here, but that's inevitable, probably.--LadderCrime (talk) 14:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

at the hip

I combined Louise and Madeline because they're inseparable and their descriptions were exactly parallel. —Tamfang 20:12, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Merger

I love the show, have some DVDs of it at home, but I fear none of the Gilmore Girls characters currently establish notability as outlined in WP:FICTION. One way to keep the articles for each character is to trim the plot and then add significant real-world information, like e.g. Boone Carlyle of Lost. Another way is, as I propose here, to merge them into a list like List of 7th Heaven characters. Individual characters can be broken out into their own pages again as soon as significant real-world information is included. The page histories allow the resurrection of old information easily. Unless there is any opposition, I'll start the merger soon. I have already merged many minor characters into this list here, which prevents them from being nominated for deletion right-away. I acn also help with a transwiki, if someone wants to keep the information somewhere off-wikipedia. Opinions? – sgeureka ^t•c 14:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Oppose This probably wasn't the place to discuss a merge proposal because of the low page traffic this page actually gets; most of the talk usually occurs on the character pages themselves. I wouldn't mind merging the minor characters, but the regulars should continue having their own pages, especially Rory's boyfriends, Sookie, Lane and Paris. Everyone else can be confined to this page easily. Nate · (chatter) 17:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

All pages have merge tags that redirect to this discussion here, so everything is well (I apologize for forgetting Paris Gellar). Anyway, all character pages violate WP:NOT#PLOT and need to be trimmed massively. Although a couple of them have one or two tiny paragraphs for production info, all are completely unsourced and therefore seem to violate WP:NOTABILITY. As a result, they fail WP:FICT. In such a case, WP:FICT recommends discussion for merging to avoid redirection or deletion. Except for maybe Lorelai and Rory, all other characters would have a hard time surviving AfD in their current state. I explained everything else above. It's either trimming&merging (as these articles should not have been started in the first place per WP:FICT), or adding real-world information (which should have happened at the point of article creation). If you want to avoid the former, you have to do the latter. – sgeureka ^t•c 17:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

All merged. – sgeureka ^t•c 21:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

inbreeding

Is it worth mentioning that Lorelai's and Rory's macabre speculations, when they learn that Richard's parents were second cousins, are mistaken? The danger of inbreeding is duplication of harmful recessive alleles, which would not affect Richard's descendants because they only get one set of genes from him. And by the way I've never heard of a legal bar to marriage between second cousins. —Tamfang (talk) 08:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I think this is too much detail, but if you think it makes the article better, be bold. – sgeureka ^t•c 12:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Doing what good television does

The warm and personable characters in Gilmore Girls draw the viewer into their world. And while it may seem inappropriate to some for people and places of fiction to be so comprehensively documented in this context, I disagree. As long the authors of these pages acknowledge that the people and places are fictional, and do not let themselves or others believe they are real, what's the harm?

The Wikipedia format is perfect for the Gilmoreverse. As encyclepedia, it provides a method for recreating a fictional place, in a manner that makes it seem real. The Wiki expands the knowledge base by bringing fans together who add new details, further bringing into focus the fictional world. However, there must be some structure to how these pages are created and maintained.

Not all places and people deserve their own (vanity) page. Therefore, I propose a compromise. Vanity pages for all major people and places. Aggregate pages for people and places organized by place. See below:

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Vanity Page YES - If the actor's name appeared in the opening credits of the show throughout any season

• Gilmore Girls, Main Cast

Vanity Page YES - Locations of significance in the show

• Stars Hollow and Chilton Academy, primarily; possibly Richard's and Emily's house, but it might have to be merged

Merged Page YES - Minor characters organized by location

• Stars Hollow - List of Notable Residents: Taylor, Jackson, Babette, Ms. Patty, The Town Troubadore, etc. etc.
• Chilton Academy - List of Notable Staff and Students: (List Rory, Paris but link to their pages) Madeline, Louise, Tristan, the Puffs, along with Headmaster Charleston and Max Medina

Merged Page YES - Places and things associated with a location of signficance

• Stars Hollow - Places of Interest in Stars Hollow: Luke's Diner, The Independence Inn, Dosie's, The Town Square, Kim's Antiques

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That's my opinion. I love Gilmore Girls; these pages are fun and bring insight to the show. My favorite is the Stars Hollow page because my company has several clients in Connecticut. Speculating the location of Stars Hollow in reference to real towns is amusing.

Let's preserve the spirit of the Gilmoreverse by keeping vanity pages for major people and places and consolidating pages about minor people and places then grouping them by location.

Qmendoza (talk) 20:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I love(d) Gilmore Girls as well, but your focus is not ideal. Wikis are a great software, but wikipedia is an neutral encyclopedia written from a real-world perspective and encourages articles like Boone Carlyle (see Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)). Vanity pages and in-depth in-universe material however are welcomed in severals wikias, such as wikia:TV:Gilmore Girls. – sgeureka ^t•c 22:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Kirk as a main character?

Should Kirk really be a main character? He seems decidedly minor to me. Other characters that appear about as often (Jackson, Mrs. Kim) are under "major recurring characters". Unless he has his own plots and appears a lot during seasons 4, 5 or 6 I don't think he should be under "main". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.191.22.133 (talk) 20:25, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

He appeared in the opening titles for some seasons, so he is/was a main character. – sgeureka ^t•c 21:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

he wasn't in it that much in the first four seasons —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.203.179.232 (talk) 19:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

He was basically a running joke: someone who had odd habits, and always seemed to be qualified to take just about any job in town (mailman, cosmetics salesperson, mayor), but not hold it for long. He also had no emotional depth as compared to the major characters, always being opinionated and obnoxious. So categorization depends on your definition. David Spector (talk) 23:05, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

New Yale characters

Could anyone add Rory's two artsy new friends Lucy and Olivia (quote: „Genius!“) from Season 7? --89.244.191.55 (talk) 13:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Be bold and add them yourself. :-) – sgeureka ^t•c 13:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Merge

I have to say, merging these articles based on a consensus that amounts to one person who disagreed with you and nobody who agreed with you seems a poor choice. I am going to unmerge the main characters articles. Phil Sandifer (talk) 15:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The merge discussion was open for over three(!) months. WP:NOT#PLOT (policy) is clear. You did not gain consensus for un-redirecting the articles back to their policy violating state. Please self-revert them or establish notability in significant ways that couldn't as well fit into this list. There is also the option to raise this at WP:FICT/N. Thank you. – sgeureka ^t•c 16:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thinking about this a little more, it's clear who is not in line with policy, and who didn't gain consensus for his actions first. I'll therefore revert your edits per WP:BRD (you were bold, not me) and wait for your justification. If you believe I'm in the wrong nevertheless, I'd like you to raise my actions at WP:FICT/N, not the other way around. – sgeureka ^t•c 16:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

And I forgot: What exactly does your edit summary "[...] valuable information lost in merge" refer to? Plot detail? Again, please see WP:NOT#PLOT (and WP:WAF). – sgeureka ^t•c 16:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The discussion had minimal input, all of which was opposed to you, especially given that you were reverted on some. The merge never had consensus. Gather an actual consensus. Phil Sandifer (talk) 16:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Silence and consensus. Then check back when the merge discussion took place, and when I took action for the possibly-notable characters. I'd also like to point to policies and guidelines, which have way more weight than one person in three months opposing a merge. As I said, if you believe me to be in the wrong, raise it at WP:FICT/N. Thank you. – sgeureka ^t•c 16:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Silence and consensus is an essay. WP:FICT is a proposed guideline. Neither of those have substantive weight. Phil Sandifer (talk) 17:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I didn't mention WP:FICT in this thread a single time; I however repeatedly pointed to WP:NOT#PLOT, a policy. Besides, at the time of the merge proposal, WP:FICT was not proposed. So, since you don't seem to obey WP:BRD, does that mean you prefer to edit-war instead of reporting me to the noticeboard like I proposed? If yes, no problem, I'll do that for you then. See you there unless you self-revert in the next hour or explain how my actions were wrong and how yours aren't. – sgeureka ^t•c 17:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:NOT#PLOT says what should be added - it is difficult to add such material to a heavily condensed list. I'd love to see more out-of-universe material added to those articles, but they need to actually exist for that to happen. But WP:NOT in no way calls for mass merges where the only discussion was people opposing you and reverting you. Phil Sandifer (talk) 18:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I could also have taken the articles to AfD, if that's what you suggest. Since I merged Lorelai and Rory (the most likely candidates to actually have real-world information out there) only in March after three months of discussion, there was a lot of time to add any(!) real-world information to prevent a merge. This wasn't done, neither by you nor by anyone else. Contrary to your claim, it is no more difficult to add real-world information to the list than to a separate article. Anything else that I missed before I take it to the noticeboard (since you don't seem to be willing to do that)? – sgeureka ^t•c 19:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

As you wish. See you at Wikipedia:Fiction/Noticeboard#List of Gilmore Girls characters (see characters in the template at the bottom). – sgeureka ^t•c 08:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Redirected again per Wikipedia:Fiction/Noticeboard#List of Gilmore Girls characters (see characters in the template at the bottom). – sgeureka ^t•c 14:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

• I've fixed the dbl rds (mostly) from the main article page for you. Eusebeus (talk) 16:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

someone needs to put more for madeline and louise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.203.179.232 (talk) 19:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Al

Does someone remember which episode it was where Lorelai walks by three guys on a bench and says "Hi" to them each and to one she says "Hi, Al."? And include that in the Al section as that may be him? --WTRiker (talk) 17:16, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

That sounds way too minor for an encyclopedia article; add it to a book on trivia. David Spector (talk) 23:07, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Dawsons Creek??

Chad Michael Murray left to film one tree hill didn't he?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.32.249 (talk) 15:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Paris Eustace Geller vrs Ross Eustace Geller

Is it just a coincidence that Ross from "Friends" has the same middle and last name as Paris? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.178.63.121 (talk) 16:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Rory

WTF?she is the main charachter and she doesn't have her own wiki page!But her mother does!I think it is imoportant to create her page cuz shi is one of 2 leading characters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.135.134.225 (talk) 17:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Misc

maybe she should at least be put under recurring characters just so she is searchable if anyone is interested.

The characters descriptions could be longer...

I am going to do so changes, separete characters and stuff 200.241.255.250 04:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Rory and length

In rewriting Rory's entry, I've added about 500 words, chiefly to address matters of her experiences at Chilton and Yale not covered in the previous entry, which focused on Rory's lovelife. It's roughly 1700 words long. Its length (and Luke's) illustrates that Lorelai's entry is a little skimpy. I'd be interested to hear if anyone thinks the page will be too long when Lorelai's entry is fleshed out, as I'm aware of the merging discussions and the notability issue in the past. The entry I rewrote didn't include many citations, most of which would be to episodes where incidents occur. I, or someone else, probably need to add them, unless there's consensus not to reference plot-points in this way. Happy to hear your thoughts (read: help!) --LadderCrime (talk) 21:32, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Fandom and shipping

I'm moving to Discussion this paragraph that was relatively recently appended to the entry for Jess Mariano:

He was Rory Gilmore's romantic interest and the pairing have a wide fan base, which named the couple Literati due to the meaning of the word: 'persons of scholarly or literary attainments; intellectuals' which fit both Rory and himself.

I'm unclear about how fandom and shipping is meant to be referenced in Wikipedia; there's a section for it, for instance, in One Tree Hill but there's no references in Gilmore Girls main article to its fandom or 'ships. I think it would be good to reach consensus about whether the fandom and/or ships should be referenced in the main article or elsewhere, so until then this single reference should probably remain here. --LadderCrime (talk) 15:59, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Devon Michaels

The link to Devon Michaels is to a porn actress, not to the actor who played Bill on Gilmore Girls. Someone needs to look into that. I doubt he's transsexual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.145.185.228 (talk) 22:48, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Tristan

The character is actually named Tristin, not Tristan. See the closing credits and the DVD subtitles. --AndreasPraefcke (talk) 10:21, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

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Lane's father

Section Lane Kim states that Lane's father is never seen. Not so. He is seen once, for a second or two, when he visits, I believe, Lane's wedding: a pleasant looking elderly Korean man wearing, I believe, wire-frame glasses. He is mentioned in the dialog. Since I observed this myself while watching the entire series, it is not permissible to add to the article. If anyone else has observed this, perhaps the statement can then be deleted. David Spector (talk) 22:54, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Photo

I'm curious whether the season three cast photo currently featured is best photo to represent this page. Thoughts? Tepkunset (talk) 21:06, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

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In need of a lead

As I began to read this article, I realized that there is practically no lead for this article. According to the Wikipedia: Manual of Style/Lead section, "the lead section is an introduction to an article and a summary of its most important contents. It is located at the beginning of the article, before the table of contents and the first heading." I highly suggest including a lead to this article in order to provide an encyclopedic introduction to this page. Wiki Helpful Edits (talk) 06:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

I added "deceased" to Edward Herrmann's square for Year in the Life

It seems inappropriate to me to simply leave Ed Herrmann's square under the Year in the Life column empty giving the impression that he didn't participate in the miniseries for some other reason. Instead adding "deceased" seems appropriate as it gives an uninformed reader the reason he was not present. Eric Cable  !  Talk  13:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Notable Guest Appearances?

I am thinking of adding a section for actors who were on Gilmore before they became famous such as Jon Hamm, Jane Lynch, Seth MacFarlane, Nick Offerman, and Riki Lindhome.

It also might be interesting to add people who appeared "as themselves" such as Paul Anka, Barbara Boxer, The Bangles, Madeleine Albright, and Christiane Amanpour.

 Eric Cable  !  Talk  14:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Decided to Be Bold and add it. Eric Cable  !  Talk  16:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)