Talk:List of Gunslinger Girl episodes

Il Teatrino

Isn't anyone going to start listing down the season 2 episodes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.69.55.181 (talk) 10:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

It has been started, but it was put in a separate list. Tagging for merge. AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:35, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge complete. Needs clean up and reassessment. --Eruhildo (talk) 00:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

To be perfectly frank, half-ass merges like that with no quality control are not good. Yes, the merge was necessary, but you're merging into a featured list. The onus for executing the merge well is on you, the merger. sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 00:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

You're right, sorry about that. I don't have any experience with this kind of list and I guess I was a in a bit of a rush. Thanks for fixing it for me. --Eruhildo (talk) 20:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Veoh has the episodes on their site now, The titles are a little different though. Yami (talk) 18:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Plot summary

At the moment the plot summary in the opening paragraph puts the emphasis on Henrietta and Jose but surely there is more to it than that. What about Rico and Jean or Triela and Hillshire? For instance, episodes like "Ragazzo" or "Protezione" focus mainly on Rico. To say that it is just about one pair of individuals is misleading.--79.67.216.122 (talk) 18:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Other episodes of the first season also focus on Rico, Angelica, Triela and their handlers, as I have pointed out above. It's not just Henrietta from beginning to end. Triela features heavily in the second season, especially in the "Pinocchio" story arc when it is she, not Henrietta, who takes on a seemingly unbeatable opponent. This is like saying that the League of Justice is all about Batman and not a single other character like Superman or Wonder Woman.--79.67.229.198 (talk) 20:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Under protection - because of a more proper summary of the series

Hi, As I see it, this article has been placed under protection because someone is trying to put in a plot summary which is more in line with what the series is all about: i.e. it is not just about two individuals (which the current summary contends) but about a number of characters. The guy who made this change tried to discuss the issue but only user:AnmaFinotera joined the discussion (see Talk:List of Gunslinger Girl episodes#Plot summary and User talk:AnmaFinotera#List of Gunslinger Girl episodes) and failed to come up with any kind of compromise or alternative form of words.

The point is that the present summary claims that it is simply about Henrietta and Jose but in fact Henrietta is just one of a number of girls who is used as a killer by Jose and his colleagues and there are episodes which focus on these other girls and their respective mentors. It is really a bit like the Star Trek series of the 1980s and 90s (ST:TNG, ST:DS9 or ST:Voyager) in that although there were central leading figures (Picard, Sisko, Janeway), individual episodes also focused on other characters like Data, Bashir or Harry Kim.--Marktreut (talk) 17:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Why do I suspect "someone" was just you using your IP again? Additionally, please compare apples to apples. GG is not Star Trek nor anything like it. As was already noted, as this is a featured list, alternative wording should be proposed, discussed, and cleaned up before addition. Further, while the second season does open up more to the other girls, the first season does focus primarily on Henrietta and Jose against the context of the rest. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:05, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm just saying that GG and ST are similar in spirit in that they have a number of individuals in the same organisation (the Welfare Agency, Starfleet) and that while Henrietta may be the character most viewers may identify with she is not the only girl who has been tuned into becoming an assassin. AnmaFinotera states that she has not yet seen the second season (which would explain some things like the kaleidoscope debacle) so I do not see on what grounds she can claim that the series is solely about Henrietta and Jose and not the others as well. Rico, Triela and even Claes play important roles in season one, with Henrietta just being on the sidelines or playing a supporting role (not dissimilar to Shippo in that respect).--Marktreut (talk) 19:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I said the first season focused on Henrietta and please do not speak to me as if you were speaking to someone else about me. Its rude. And please do not start throwing around old issues. Stick to this topic (and, for the record, one does not need to see the second season to knwo the story if one actually reads the manga which is beyond both seasons). Henrietta is certainly not equivalent to Shippo, and is clearly the primarily focus of the first season, with the others having highlight episodes but still with Henrietta's own reaction as the "new" girl. In the second season, it shifts more to the girls as a whole. And, again, I did not disagree that updating the summary may be relevant, just the method and low quality writing being placed in a featured list without any discussion nor consensus. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

"I said the first season focused on Henrietta": well that's your personal opinion and while you're entitled to it I seem to recall you reversing one of my edits on those grounds: edit of main Gunslinger Girl article on 20 July 2009. "One does not need to see the second season to knwo the story if one actually reads the manga which is beyond both seasons": but this article is specifically about the anime version, not the manga. If you can suggest some higher-quality summary, then go for it, all I'm saying is that it is about a number of girls in a situation similar to Henrietta's and not just about her. Something like: "The plot of the episodes concentrates upon a group of young girls fitted with cybernetics and trained as assassins and their missions with a secretive government organization — the central characters being one such girl called Henrietta and her "mentor/handler" Jose." You've made your point about discussion, now maybe we can have a consensus — and I don't mean leaving things as they are.--Marktreut (talk) 13:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

To put in my two cents, I am in favor of editing the article to reflect an ensemble cast as opposed to the current statement of two main stars. While Henrietta and Jose were surely the two most visible fratella and used as an "in" for the audience, the reality is only 4 episodes were built around them (1,2,6,11) one of which was a continuation of another cyborg's story. That's less than 1/3 of the season. There were more episodes that focused on other cyborgs (6) and almost as many ensemble efforts (3). Given these facts (supported by the episode list itself), I would contend that the statement that the episodes concentrate on Henrietta and Jose is demonstrably false and should be edited.--71.196.109.196 (talk) 03:24, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

And, just to note. At the top of this very page users are encouraged to edit the article and make improvements with a link encouraging users to "be bold". It is not a requirement that users propose their changes and gain a concensus first, featured article or not. The status of the article should not be used as a tool for stifling good faith contributions to a topic.--71.196.109.196 (talk) 04:26, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I think it makes sense to replace Henrietta and Jose with "young girls fitted with cybernetics and trained as government assassins by male adult 'handlers' . I expect the original synopsis came from Funimation marketing materials released with the original R1 DVD release which, I believe, referenced the show as the story of Henrietta and Jose since that was the first episode. Kiskaloo (talk) 16:53, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Il Teatrino - strange name

Please note: I am not raising this issue here as if it were a matter for a forum or discussion board, but because I think that it would be a point that would be of interest to many and should be seriously looked into. Season 2 is known as "Gunslinger Girl - Il Teatrino". Online dictionaries suggest that "Il Teatrino" means "Little Theatre" but I cannot see much of a connection with little girls who act as gunmen. Does anyone know how or why the producers came up with such as title? Why not just call it Season 2 and be done with it? --Marktreut (talk) 15:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

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