Talk:List of Holden vehicles by series

TOC targets

I noticed your request at the Villagepump. I have added the template {{Section}} for the "VY" part of the table as an example. That seems to work, but the template would probably better be placed near the first model ("Ute") in that table in order to position that section better after the jump. Hope this helps. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Does this do anything different to Template:Anchor? OSX (talk • contributions) 09:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

It's not supoosed to be different, although the code for Template:Section is clearly simpler. I have used it now for several months exactly for the purpose you asked for: to provide targets to sections within tables, and it worked very well for me. Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:14, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

60 Years of Holden

Hi Guys. I am the author of the 60 Year book that you have used as a reference, I'm OK with that. Is it possible to use the full book title in the 'Citation' section as well as the Bibliography? (Terrybebb (talk) 22:34, 22 October 2009 (UTC))

Done. By the way, the new book is nothing less than great, I was very impressed with it Terry. The best part is probably the "newly discovered" models that have been included. Not to downplay the book, I have found a couple of errors if your interested. OSX (talk • contributions) 02:26, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi OSX, I'm always interested in finding any genuine errors, even typos. It can only improve the book for any reprints. Can you e-mail me on bebco at bigpond dot com. (Terrybebb (talk) 06:22, 25 October 2009 (UTC))

Hi Terry, an email was sent late last week, did you get it? OSX (talk • contributions) 03:10, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Spelling & Names

Hi Guys. You are using the later term 'Station wagon' for vehicles that were called 'Station sedans' pre-1969, but Holden never used this term. Holden changed the name from 'Station sedan' to simply 'wagon' for the later cars (i.e. no station).

The spelling of Delux & de Ville, which are of French origin, should be be DeLuxe & DeVille in English (Holden usage). Holden badges for these two were usually in upper case for all letters, but in print you could both use upper & lower case.(Terrybebb (talk) 05:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC))

I've fixed up any issues regarding the wagons; please note that this list in its current form is merely a draft. I have yet to finish it, nor have I heavily scrutinised the list for any errors.

Regarding the "DeVille" / "de Ville", I know that WB Series I and II cars were badged with both "DeVille" (both capitalised, no spacing). But GM-H's marketing department obviously felt differently as the HQ, HZ, and WB brochures all use the term "Statesman de Ville" (see links). So what takes precedence, the badges themselves of the brochures? OSX (talk • contributions) 03:10, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I realise it's only a draft but in the VU series ute you have given them the same model designations as VG to VS, which is incorrect. In the earlier model series (VG-VS) the S was the 'normal' model & the base model was an A9K 'delete package', but for VU onwards the base model was the 'normal' model (8VK80) & the S & SS were both options over that. On the subject on model numbers, you are actually using VIN prefixes in your list & not model numbers. e.g. a VT Calais is VT-8VX69, not 8VTX69. I know this is being pedantic, but a model number is a model number. (Terrybebb (talk) 03:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC))

Thanks for that Terry, the VU/VX onwards information was added prior to the release of 60 Years so I was making the assumption that everything remained the same from the VS. Regarding the VIN prefixes, I am also aware of that. When I added most of the data, I had assumed that the model codes that you had listed in 50 Years were "summarised" from the VIN codes and not actual "official" model codes per se. It was not until you actually explained the difference in 60 Years that I actually realised this. Again, I am in the process of adding the 60 Years information to this list so it will get fixed up over time. Thank you. OSX (talk • contributions) 09:23, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I am currently working on the VB/VC/VH models and have run into a couple of problems/questions/errors:

• VC Commodore SL/E Shadowtone: was the car actually officially know as the "Shadowtone"? Should it not just be written as "Commodore SL/E (Shadowtone)"? Also, in 60 Years I am confused by the Shadowtone model codes: 8VX69 (V6Q - 334), (V6Q - 335), and (V6Q - 335 Packs). What are the three-digit numbers? Are they the different colour combinations? And finally, why does only the "V6Q - 335" have "Packs" written next to it? Sorry to have to ask so many questions.

• VC Commodore SL/E wagon: the text states "An SL/E wagon was produced in very small numbers (less than 30 in total)", yet the table below states "Approx 50 built". Which is the correct figure?

• VH Commodore SL/E sedan: in the "Available until" column, it states "VK SL/E - Feb-84". I think you mean "VK Calais", there was no VL SL/E.

• VH Commodore SL/E Top 30 Shadowtone: News release is dated "21-Dec-81", yet on sale dated listed as "Sep-82". Did Holden announce this car that far in advance? OSX (talk • contributions) 13:05, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for making these queries & finding these mistakes.

1. The car was marketed as the SL/E Shadowtone & came in 3 versions or 'packs'. Packs are a type of package number which most Commodores are described with (that don't have a PO number). The 334 Pack is the version which had the 4.2 V8 fitted, which was the only version initially available when released in March 80. The demand for 3.3 6-cyl & 5.0 V8 versions was such that these were released in July 80 as the 335 & 336 Packs respectively. The reason only 335 has 'Pack' next to it is only known to my layout artist.

2. The quantity of VC SL/E wagons is unknown, however I have 2 references to them with these quantities mentioned. Again it should have been picked up at the proof reading stage. Maybe it should read 'Quantity 30 to 50'.

3. VK SL/E, yes that's a proper mistake, missed at proof reading.

4. The release date for the Top 30 is Dec 81. The Sept 82 date was an incorrect 'copy & paste' issue which happened when the charts were reconfigured. Several such errors did occur but most (I thought all) of these were picked up during proof reading. The Top 30 was an unusual case because it was never offered for retail sale so there was no 'showroom on-sale' date as such. (Terrybebb (talk) 07:19, 20 November 2009 (UTC))

Thank you for responding to my concerns. Regarding the VL, why was the "Commodore V6 LE (Queensland dealer marketing special)" called as such when the car had an inline six-cylinder engine as opposed to a V6? Also, with regards to the VL "Commodore SL (National Police package)", you have listed this model under "Limited production option packages". Is this correct, as the previous VH and VK equivalents are listed under "Regular production option packages"? OSX (talk • contributions) 08:15, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

"SS Group A (Walkinshaw)" or "SS Group A SV"

Terry's book states "SS Group A (Walkinshaw)", but GTHO's copy of the February 1988 HMC sales brochure AD10304 states "SS Group A SV". What is the correct name of the VL Group A? OSX (talk • contributions) 00:42, 28 November 2009 (UTC)