Talk:List of Japanese deities

seriously? but there are 7,999,988 more to go. We'd better get started.

Also, I find it a tiny bit awkward for them to all say "the kami of this" and "the kami of that" ... Isn't there some way to avoid this repetition without making the grammar awkward? JC 13:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Stuff like "lord of" or "master of" instead? --OGoncho 18:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking more along the lines of "Here is a list of various kami and what kind of things each has power over or represents.

[example kami:]

Inari - rice, fertility, foxes"

So that way you don't have to repeat "the kami of X" over and over, instead putting that as part of the main list format, and thus not have to apply it to each kami...

I mean, in a "List of Lords" you wouldn't want to say "Name - Lord of Xplace" would you? You'd just say "Here are some lords and the land they have lordship over." and list them that way... At least, I'd think that, anyway. And you'd probably forgo putting "Lord" in front of each of their names, too. I mean, it just seems a bit ridiculous. :P Just trying to throw out some ideas - I'm not sure what would be best. JC 03:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you want to join in, by all means, feel free and join in.--み使い Mitsukai 04:04, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I think this page should have been called "List of Shinto deities."--174.95.63.5 (talk) 03:03, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

What of Kami Neko?

An emperor one day passed by a cat, which seemed to wave to him. Taking the cat's motion as a sign, the emperor paused and went to it. Diverted from his journey, he realized that he had avoided a trap that had been laid for him just ahead. Since that time, cats have been considered wise and lucky spirits. Many Japanese shrines and homes include a figurine of a cat with one pay upraised as if waving-hence Kami Neko. Problem is, I don't know which emperor. Help? Chris 02:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

より多くの情報はここで共同しています。 15:26, 14 May 2018 (UTC) • contribs)

References

Directional Guardians

I was under the impression that the directional guardians were also a kind of god, although I don't have any research/refrences available to me. Should this be looked into for an addition for the page? Or am I just being silly? A Public Computer

Son of Amaterasu

I see a lot of mention of her grandson a lot, and his grandsom, and his son (emperor Jimmu) but never Amaterasu's son.. Who's that?

"missing sun motif"

This was a link within Ame-no-Uzume to what looks like OR, which has been deleted from the Solar deity article. Is there any basis to this claim at all? Imaginatorium (talk) 14:39, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Torento-no-kami

A flurry of edits have added this putative entry: Torento-no-kami. The name is phonetically dubious, and I cannot find any evidence of its existence. The first version had bogus wlinks, then there was a version with bogus references. I have added "citation needed" for now, but perhaps it should just go, short of some amazing evidence. Imaginatorium (talk) 14:55, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

神道は世界の多神教の中で数えられていることは広く知られていますが、神々には複数の名前が付いています。 もともと、神社と日本では、同じ神を参照する方法はしばしば異なっていました。 小ジキにいる間、神の名前... YodogawaKamlyn (talk) 18:03, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

It's a specific belief held to a certain province in japan most likely written in Japanese then any other language. IDZeroNo (talk) 16:34, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

@IDZeroNo and YodogawaKamlyn: What is this "specific belief"? How is "Torento-no-kami" written in Japanese? This is still completely unsupported by external evidence, so will be deleted unless such evidence can be found. 返事は、英語でも、日本語でもどうぞ Imaginatorium (talk) 19:17, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium: 神道における人間の神格化の重要性は、ヨーロッパの学者と現代の日本人作家の両方によって大きく誇張されている。グラント・アレンは、「神の思想の進化」の中で、「日本の神道のような大きな国家の信条の中には、生きている王と死んだ先祖の精神を除いて、全く神を認識していないことを知っています。彼は恐らく、その作家であるケンペファー（Kaempfer）に惑わされていた。真実は、神道が、最初のものよりも宗教思想の2つの大きな流れの2番目のものからはるかに少ない程度で得られているということです。人間の崇拝は比較的少ない。神木、日本、善意木では、この要素の何もほとんど会わない。彼らの偉大な神のどれもが個々の人間ではありませんが、後にこのクラスのいくつかの神々はかなりの隆起と人気に達しました。 10世紀に作成された「大聖堂」のリストを分析すると、次のような結果が得られます。それに含まれる神のうち17人は自然の神、1つは剣であり、おそらく自然の神を表し、伝説の死者のミカドスは少なく、司祭の祖先であり、皇后の祖先であり、死人である政治家の一人である。

神と同様に、人間 - 神は、神格化された個々人、神格化された階級、および神聖化された人格の3つのクラスに分けられるかもしれません。最初のクラスは、生きているか死んでいる、そして多くのヒーローたちで構成されています。その中には、日本の東部の伝説的な征服者であるヤマト岳と学習の神、菅原（天神）がいます例として引用されている。

None of the responses provide any support for "Torento-no-kami", so I have deleted it. Please do not put it back unless you have an external source which explicitly mentions it. Imaginatorium (talk) 11:15, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

支持された証拠は、荒らしの報告を発見した。YodogawaKamlyn (talk) 15:05, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium: 必要な証拠を見つけたら、安心して元の場所に戻します。19:04, 15 May 2018 (UTC)~ これらに同意しますか？

Ta-no-Kami and other deities=

These deities now added should not be removed as they are properly sourced. YodogawaKamlyn (talk) 17:47, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

References

Making some articles for some Kami

I’m gonna go through this and make articles for some Kami. So fair I created 3 articles.

I’m also gonna work on the genealogy. CycoMa (talk) 16:54, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Ekibyōgami?

I removed the following redlink entry: *Ekibiogami, kami of disease and pestilence. (ref) Cite book|last=Ashkenazi|first=Michael|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=gqs-y9R2AekC&q=Ekibiogami%7Ctitle=Handbook of Japanese Mythology|date=2003|publisher=ABC-CLIO|isbn=978-1-57607-467-1|language=en}}. Probably the author meant to write Ekibyōgami, but the introduction to his book makes it clear he is not exactly an expert. Japanese WP has ja:疫病神, read Yakubyōgami, but this does not have a WP:en entry. (The first character, 疫 is usually read "eki"; the name can also (WP:ja) be written 厄病神, where the first character 厄 is usually read "yaku". The two characters have similar meanings, but 疫病 is the normal word for an epidemic, while 厄 is more associated with woo stuff about magical problems. Imaginatorium (talk) 06:34, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

I googled this deity again and there are many sources that mention this deity.

Like here.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Japanese_Mythology_A_to_Z/xdfgjV2kw6oC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Ekibiogami+mythology&pg=PA34&printsec=frontcover

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Dictionary_of_Mythology_Folklore_and_Sym/zkA2pO0V-WEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Ekibiogami+mythology&pg=PA112&printsec=frontcover

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Myths_Legends_of_Japan/vqQIDAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Ekibiogami&pg=PT377&printsec=frontcover

So it is very likely that this deity is a legit deity. Also the writer of that book is an anthropologist who studies religion and Japan, so I am not entirely sure on the notion that he’s not an expert.

https://www.bicc.de/about/staff/staffmember/member/48-ashkenazi/

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Michael_Ashkenazi

CycoMa (talk) 06:44, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Japan_Encyclopedia/p2QnPijAEmEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Yakubyougami

There also appears to be variations of the name for some reason, this could just be one of those cases where there is mitranslation.CycoMa (talk) 06:51, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

About Michael Ashkenazi: he is an anthropologist, but has no competence in Japanese (if he did, he could not have written the description he gives for Japanese), so he may write useful and interesting things, but cannot be guaranteed to get the name right. Actually, I think that WP:ja is right, and the name should be Yakubyōgami. I checked a standard reliable (real-world reliable, not just WP:NOTREALLYRELIABLEATALLBUTDEFINITELYAPROPERPRINTEDBOOK), 広辞苑 (Kōjien) and it has an entry for 疫病神, read "Yakubyōgami", but no entry for a reading Ekibyōgami. "Ekibio-" is an obvious error, and any source quoting it can be deduced not to have basic Japanese competence. I'm not going through all of them, but how many of your "references" are derived from WP, I wonder? (Did you notice that there are lots of Google hits for Maristino, and they are all rather obviously circular regurgitation of the WP article.) Imaginatorium (talk) 11:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

major and minor deities

I don’t entirely agree with the whole major and minor deities thing. It just seems like a weird way to list them off and it’s hard to tell exactly who is more major or more minor in some cases.

Not to mention many of these deities are classified in different groups.CycoMa (talk) 18:12, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, in the Hebrew Bible, some prophets are major, and some are minor, classified through a number of ecumenical councils, traditions, heresies and revisions. I don't actually know a lot, if at all, about Japanese deities, but it may just be how they're classified in tradition. --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 23:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorted List

If i were looking for a list of Shinto Kami sorted by the number of shrines they are venerated in, where could i possibly find this? Would it be in the scope of Wikipedia to have that here? - Schockocraft (talk) 19:58, 15 April 2022 (UTC)