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The campaign is over

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The election was a week ago. Why are endorsements still being added to this article? It's kind of the past the point of being relevant. Liz Read! Talk! 06:42, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

If the clear endorsement was published before or on election day and that is reported by a reliable independent secondary source, I don't see why it cannot be added any time. There were quite a few outstanding edit requests apart from anything editors find later. --Mirokado (talk) 01:01, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

new request

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Nine Inch Nails too https://www.nme.com/news/music/nine-inch-nails-endorse-joe-biden-this-election-will-determine-our-health-rights-and-future-2803898

Added by Pennsylvania2. --Mirokado (talk) 18:03, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Papoose (rapper) https://www.revolt.tv/2020/10/28/21538897/papoose-biden-harris-voting-new-album-and-more

Done. --Mirokado (talk) 18:03, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Ariana Grande https://people.com/style/ariana-grande-channels-1960s-style-in-positions-music-video/

Added by Modern184. --Mirokado (talk) 11:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Add Simran Jeet Singh https://gvwire.com/2020/10/21/opinion-why-sikhs-should-vote-for-biden/

Done. Published by an independent source. --Mirokado (talk) 18:03, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Valarie Kaur https://www.newsindiatimes.com/sikh-group-holds-launch-event-on-bullying-expresses-support-for-biden/

Done. She co-hosted the meeting in support of Biden. --Mirokado (talk) 19:55, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Add Edwina Sandys https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/10/30/churchill-granddaughter-why-vote-joe-biden-not-donald-trump-column/6076515002/

Now done by someone else. --Mirokado (talk) 21:55, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

https://www.broadwayworld.com//article/Cast-and-Creators-of-TO-KILL-A-MOCKINGBIRD-and-THE-WEST-WING-to-Phone-Bank-With-Broadway-for-Biden-20201029 “Aaron Sorkin, Barlett Sher, and cast members from To Kill A Mockingbird and The West Wing join Biden phone banking efforts this Monday” shows they are phone banking with Biden which is a form of campaigning for him. Campaigning for a candidate is generally considered to be listed as an endorsement. 2601:8A:4102:B3A0:79D9:6525:6755:B900 (talk) 06:41, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Done. --Mirokado (talk) 22:56, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Mirokado, thank you. Here are the remaining names from that source when you get a chance to add.

https://www.broadwayworld.com//article/Cast-and-Creators-of-TO-KILL-A-MOCKINGBIRD-and-THE-WEST-WING-to-Phone-Bank-With-Broadway-for-Biden-20201029 2603:301B:2702:AE00:41E3:A46D:319E:FAEC (talk) 23:13, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Done. You are welcome. --Mirokado (talk) 02:21, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

John Scofield, Jazzmeia Horn, Joe Lovano, Ravi Coltrane, Melissa Aldana, Miguel Zenón, John Patitucci, Christian McBride, Dee Dee Bridgewater, Eric Harland to be added https://www.wbgo.org/post/jazz-america-benefit-biden-campaign-features-musical-all-star-team Exact wording from article “ More than a dozen leading jazz artists have joined forces for a concert benefiting the presidential campaign of Joe Biden.” referring to these artists — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8A:4102:B3A0:79D9:6525:6755:B900 (talk) 06:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Using a different reference with a few more names:
  • Jeff "Tain" Watts, Fred Hersch, Aaron Goldberg, Brandee Younger, Sean Jones (trumpeter)
  • Scott, Ron (October 15, 2020). "Jazz for America, Cynthia Scott sings, Smoke". New York Amsterdam News. Archived from the original on November 4, 2020.
Done --Mirokado (talk) 04:37, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Also Sylvan Esso, Colin Meloy, Kurt Vile, Amanda Palmer, Tune-Yards, Moon Taxi https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebaltin/2020/10/22/how-the-music-industry-got-behind-joe-biden-for-the-team-joe-sings-series/ “ How The Music Industry Got Behind Joe Biden For The ‘Team Joe Sings’ Series” is the title of the article which refers to the concert these artists participated in 2601:8A:4102:B3A0:79D9:6525:6755:B900 (talk) 06:31, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Done --Mirokado (talk) 05:24, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Mirokado, thanks! I have an account now. Will use it for the limited time I’m here. I appreciate your time! Just Piping In (talk) 06:22, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

still to be considered

These involve, at least mostly, performances at campaign meetings. --Mirokado (talk) 20:02, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure about adding these.

  • Does performing at a campaign event count as an endorsement?
  • The IP has recently updated the requests with more detailed justifications, so it is worth taking a fresh look.

Pinging recent editors of the article: @Feminist:, @Pennsylvania2:, @Sthacker21:, @Animaileditor:, @GrouchoPython:, @Oo7jeep:, @Chevvin:

Please have a look at the following requests and respond if possible. Also please have a look at the request about Evo Morales at #world leader to add.
Thank you. --Mirokado (talk) 14:03, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Mirokado, they didn’t just perform at a concert. It says they helped out or supported or campaigned with Biden which is considered an endorsement. “ A Night at a Pub for Joe, a virtual rally, is inviting Irish Americans to come together in support of Joe Biden.“ is different from just saying “James Galway and Matt Molloy performed at the event”. “ Musical entertainment has always been used as a way to promote, whether it be for an ad or a movie. In this case, Biden is not only raising money for his shot in the White House, but also may increase his chances of getting more votes with well-known artists showing their support” is different than saying “these artists performed at a Joe Biden event”. 2600:1002:B113:38BF:C0CC:220D:DBA8:B3CD (talk) 16:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Mirokado, thank you very much. Now for the jazz artists, I think you can add those as well as endorsements since it says they are joining forces to benefit Biden’s campaign and are also part of a group called Jazz for Biden. However if you don’t agree, please let me know why. Thank you! 2603:301B:2702:AE00:41E3:A46D:319E:FAEC (talk) 02:40, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Add James Galway, Glen Hansard, and Matt Molloy (musicians) Here is the exact wording from the article “ A Night at a Pub for Joe, a virtual rally, is inviting Irish Americans to come together in support of Joe Biden.“ should be added https://www.irishcentral.com/events/a-night-at-a-pub-for-joe-biden

  Already done --TheImaCow (talk) 12:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Ciara https://blackchronicle.com/ciara-aap-ferg-jennifer-hudson-more-performing-on-joe-biden-campaign-concert-music-news/ “ In support of Democratic presidential candidate Biden, the “grassroots concert” will feature a mix of live and pre-recorded segments from a number of stars including Pose actor Billy Porter and Hamilton co-creator and star Lin-Manuel Miranda.” is the quote describing the concert which also says Ciara performed in. 2601:8A:4102:B3A0:79D9:6525:6755:B900 (talk) 06:32, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

  Already done --TheImaCow (talk) 12:57, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Linda Ronstadt https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/politics/9474034/coda-campaign-pro-biden-voter-linda-ronstadt-billy-joel The title of the article “The Coda Campaign Enlists Linda Ronstadt, Billy Joel and Others For Pro-Biden Voter Push” is already enough to constitute an endorsement 2601:8A:4102:B3A0:79D9:6525:6755:B900 (talk) 06:34, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

  Done --TheImaCow (talk) 13:02, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Sara Bareilles, Aloe Blacc, Darren Criss (actor), Ne-Yo, Johntá Austin, Dave Matthews, La La Anthony (media personality), Margaret Cho (comedian), Jaime Camil (actor), Dave Grohl, Armie Hammer (actor), Helen Mirren (actor), will.i.am Those which are not marked are musicians https://nysmusic.com/2020/10/26/cher-john-legend-and-more-set-to-perform-in-the-biden-harris-campaign-virtual-concert-i-will-vote/ Among other things, the quote “ Musical entertainment has always been used as a way to promote, whether it be for an ad or a movie. In this case, Biden is not only raising money for his shot in the White House, but also may increase his chances of getting more votes with well-known artists showing their support.“ shows the artists are showing their support who are participating 2601:8A:4102:B3A0:79D9:6525:6755:B900 (talk) 06:36, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

  Already done --TheImaCow (talk) 13:06, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Portugal. The Man and Black Rebel Motorcycle Club https://www.laweekly.com/music-pick-livestreaming-team-joe-sings-again/ “Portugal. The Man and the Black Rebel Motorcycle Club are the latest artists to get involved with the Team Joe Sings campaign, which sees musicians posting videos on YouTube to show support for Joe Biden’s run at the presidency” is already an endorsement (first line) 2601:8A:4102:B3A0:79D9:6525:6755:B900 (talk) 06:38, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

@Pennsylvania2:, wonderful! Much appreciated. Would you mind taking a look at some of the above artists? I personally think they are all endorsements but maybe some are not. At least please add the ones referring to performing at “Team Joe Sings” which is a campaign where musical artists perform in support of Biden. Also please add Jim Bolger, former pm of New Zealand. Thanks!
I added Bolger and the musicians that I had heard of. Thanks for the sources!Pennsylvania2 (talk) 22:46, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
thank you @Pennsylvania2:, I know everyone’s so busy today! Below are just the two references for those participating in “Team Joe Sings”. Even though these aren’t the most well known musicians, these are the ones who probably campaigned the most and most directly for Biden. It looks like some other members of this campaign have already been added but those performing at the last two concerts were not. If you wouldn’t mind taking a look, that would be great, thank you! I’m the meantime I’ll be scouring the internet for more additions! 2600:1002:B113:38BF:E4B8:B6B9:7CA6:B9F2 (talk) 22:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Also Sylvan Esso, Colin Meloy, Kurt Vile, Amanda Palmer, Tune-Yards, Moon Taxi https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebaltin/2020/10/22/how-the-music-industry-got-behind-joe-biden-for-the-team-joe-sings-series/

“ How The Music Industry Got Behind Joe Biden For The ‘Team Joe Sings’ Series” is the title of the article which refers to the concert these artists participated in

And

Portugal. The Man and Black Rebel Motorcycle Club https://www.laweekly.com/music-pick-livestreaming-team-joe-sings-again/ “Portugal. The Man and the Black Rebel Motorcycle Club are the latest artists to get involved with the Team Joe Sings campaign, which sees musicians posting videos on YouTube to show support for Joe Biden’s run at the presidency” is already an endorsement (first line)

And @Pennsylvania2:, if you’re still around, please add Phil Coorey

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/on-balance-australia-would-be-better-off-under-biden-20201103-p56az1

another former World leader

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Henry McLeish from Scotland https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/case-joe-biden-and-why-he-must-win-henry-mcleish-3015178 Mirokado please help out here. Thank you. 69.142.114.150 (talk) 15:46, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Pennsylvania2:, you’re pretty active. Could you please lend a hand? 2603:301B:2702:AE00:41E3:A46D:319E:FAEC (talk) 19:38, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Will do. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 19:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
thank you Pennsylvania2. What are your opinions on Evo Morales? I have an article saying he’d celebrate a Biden victory over Trump. Do you think that should be added? 2603:301B:2702:AE00:41E3:A46D:319E:FAEC (talk) 19:48, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Sounds like an endorsement. Do you have the link, so I can read it over? Pennsylvania2 (talk) 19:49, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Pennsylvania2, this is it. It was previously rejected by someone else because they were not sure it was an endorsement but said theyd let someone else make the call. What do you think?

https://www.informador.mx/internacional/Elecciones-USA-2020-Evo-Morales-asegura-que-si-Trump-pierde-el-festejara-20201030-0033.html 2603:301B:2702:AE00:41E3:A46D:319E:FAEC (talk) 19:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

IP: this is forum shopping even if it is the same page, you should refer another editor to the existing conversation so a consensus can be built and if necessary evaluated, not just keep asking editors until one say yes! @Pennsylvania2: please read and respond to the current discussion, see #world leader to add and its subsection. --Mirokado (talk) 20:10, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Mirokado please don’t get upset I’m just trying to see what other people think and hopefully someone will add it. Plus I added why the above singers and actors should be added and you didn’t comment. Can you please work with me to make some more additions? Thank you 2603:301B:2702:AE00:41E3:A46D:319E:FAEC (talk) 20:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


  • Pennsylvania2, when you get a chance, please add Rafael Correa in the below source he says that Joe Biden would be better than Donald Trump in the White House

https://www.pagina12.com.ar/301999-rafael-correa-definio-a-nestor-kirchner-como-uno-de-los-gran 2603:301B:2702:AE00:41E3:A46D:319E:FAEC (talk) 05:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Done! Pennsylvania2 (talk) 21:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
  Already done --TheImaCow (talk) 13:12, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Village Pump discussion

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I've started a discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#When_are_endorsements_notable? about when endorsements are notable, with this page as a prime example of things working badly. Your comments are welcome. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Page size, redux

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As I noted in September, this page is far too big. Thought it has shrunk sightly since then, it has in fact grown considerably since two large sections were split off in the inetrim; and now has 663,588 bytes of markup, and needs to be split into several parts. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:11, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Entertainers, artists and athletes should be split into its own article as celebrity endorsements, first of all. Onetwothreeip (talk) 07:46, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Definitely. Politicians, non-politicians. Two articles at least. pauli133 (talk) 15:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Break the sections chronologically instead. it could be split into endorsements before/after clinching the nomination/Bernie dropping out to distinguish primary endorsements and those given for the general election. As on Elizabeth Warren and Bernie endorsements pages, the endorsements are also chronologically dated and indicate if someone endorsed another candidate before. ucimatty (talk) 04:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing, Pauli133, and Ucimatty: Page is now 516,132 bytes. Any further suggestions? Onetwothreeip (talk) 03:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Progress! Keep repeating the process, section by section, until the article is down to notable individuals and organizations, as the lead claims. pauli133 (talk) 15:28, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Here are tables of the current number of entries per section (col 3), with index being the sequential section number and level nesting level starting at 2:

Section statistics, all, heading level 2
index level count name
1 2 650 Former federal executive officials
13 2 86 U.S. Senators
17 2 2 Former federal judicial officials
18 2 292 State, territorial, and tribal executive officials
39 2 10 State, territorial, and tribal judicial officials
42 2 161 Municipal and local officials
55 2 29 Party officials
63 2 18 Other 2020 candidates
64 2 131 International officials
77 2 155 Academics and scholars
78 2 224 Activists and public figures
79 2 98 Business executives and leaders
Section statistics, federal to heading level 3
index level count name
2 3 3 Presidents
3 3 2 Vice Presidents
4 3 76 Cabinet-level officials
5 3 263 State Department officials
6 4 190 U.S. Ambassadors
7 3 142 Defense Department officials
8 3 56 Justice Department officials
9 3 10 Homeland Security Department officials
10 3 6 Energy Department officials
11 3 49 White House officials
12 3 43 Other Executive Branch officials
13 2 86 U.S. Senators
17 2 2 Former federal judicial officials

These may help us decide how to split further. It looks as if splitting federal-level officials would be a possibility. Number of entries is not the only criterion, since some sublists have far more detail for each entry than others. I like @Ucimatty:'s suggestion of distinguishing primary-contest endorsements from the main contest ones: they have a different significance in any case, and party-member endorsements for the selected candidate are not independent. Sorting the entries like that may be rather a lot of work though. --Mirokado (talk) 22:59, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Picking this back up: I'd still like to see Academics, Activists, and Executives split off (either together or separately). That's another 120k or so.
Then maybe we can do something about the questionable international section (the former mayor of Bogota? Really?) pauli133 (talk) 13:34, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
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