Talk:List of Kamala Harris 2020 presidential campaign endorsements

This page is a mess

Editors previously agreed that a donation without a public statement of support does NOT qualify as an endorsement. Every other candidate's endorsement page reflects this: you will not find a single endorsement on Sanders's or Warren's pages, for example, that links solely to a donation as a source of support. Senator Harris should not be held to a different standard. Additionally, this page consistently includes way more non-notable endorsements than any other candidate's page (these are not permitted). I will be deleting all non-notable endorsements and "endorsements" that only cite a campaign contribution. Please try to ensure that your additions to this page follow the rules and standards that the pages of other candidates follow. --Only699WordsToGo (talk) 04:25, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Employed for Harris' campaign vs. endorsing campaign

Current DNC members Laphonza Butler and Emmy Ruiz are listed under the "DNC members" section as having endorsed Harris. Both sources state Butler and Ruiz have been hired by the Harris team and are working for Harris' 2020 bid. I don't see anything in either source suggesting Butler and Ruiz have formally endorsed Harris. I don't believe being hired for a campaign and endorsing it are one in the same. Is there a policy or discussion an editor can point to that will clarify if I've misunderstood? What are others' thoughts? --Kbabej (talk) 22:06, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Original research

So I'm going through endorsement lists following the closing of this RfC, which requires endorsements to be from notable people/organizations, and for individuals, to require independent reliable source coverage of the endorsement which makes it clear that it was an endorsement.

I'm leaving a note here because so far this list, more than any other, contains a ton of original research. I see sources that say "Kamala Harris posed for pic with X" supporting an endorsement. Most troubling, though, is the blatant original research of digging through FEC filings, finding notable people, and then listing them here as "endorsements" based just on that donation. I haven't looked through the history to see who's doing this, but whoever it is -- please don't. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:20, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I was the one doing it. My mistake. Will not do in the future. Thanks. - bnguyen1114

Hello everyone,

I've been working on this endorsements page for the past week. I understand some of the edits y'all made to the list were because of a prohibition on original research (fair enough), non-notable endorsements from silent donors, or poor sourcing. I accept your judgment on that.

However, there are other endorsements I don't understand why they're being stricken. For example, Lashrecse Aird, Erick Allen, and Ross Wilburn's endorsements are clearly noteworthy and properly sourced. I've updated some of these endorsements with proper sourcing that fits Wikipedia's criteria and will continue to do so.

@Bnguyen1114: Thanks for leaving a message here. There's been a lot of confusion about how to apply Wikipedia policy to endorsements lists, which is why we held the Request for Comment (RfC) linked above. In general, Wikipedia prefers content that is based on reliable sources independent of the subject, and requires that claims in Wikipedia be verifiable in those sources. The specific examples you're listing here, though, aren't to do with that, but with how Wikipedia defines who/what is notable. There are a lot of different notability guidelines, but they're all about the amount/kind of coverage a topic should receive before having a Wikipedia article. As applied to lists of people, in nearly every instance we use the shorthand requirement of already having a Wikipedia article. Those you listed above do not. There is an essay someone wrote called write the article first, which is not policy, but nonetheless summarizes a common interpretation/application of policy. Requirements for notability are especially important when it comes to lists of people and the inclusion criteria in a list. In rare cases, it is permitted to include sufficient citations that show that a person does qualify for an article, but those are rare exceptions that wouldn't make sense for a list like this. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 23:08, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, Rhododendrites. I've made note of the Notability criteria. I will not make edits to the page again until I'm certain the ones I want to add meet the criteria. Thank you. In the mean time, if you'd like, feel free to assign whatever work you'd like to see done on the page. I'm happy to maintain upkeep of the page. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bnguyen1114 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

"I'm happy to maintain upkeep of the page". I'm sure bnguyen1114 would be happy to maintain this page.

bnguyen1114 is Volunteer Organizing Leader of Kamala Harris's campaign. --RDaneel1138 — Preceding unsigned comment added by RDaneel1138 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria for endorsements

The following criteria are in effect for endorsements on this and similar lists.

There is consensus among participating editors that endorsements from an individual must meet all three of the following criteria for inclusion on a list of endorsements:

1. The endorser must have an article or be unquestionably entitled to one
2. This endorsement must be covered by reliable and independent sources
3. Coverage of the endorsement needs to use the word endorse, or other closely related synonym.

See WP:ENDORSERFC for details. - MrX 🖋 13:21, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

DNC members are not "automatically" notable

The project-wide inclusion criteria requires that endorserers be clearly notable and entitled to an article. Some claim that DNC members are automatically notable. I would like to see that claim substantiated by a link to such a policies or by a list of independent references about the individuals. WP:NOTINHERITED applies. - MrX 🖋 18:23, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

DNC members are notable because they are (or were, in the case of former DNC members) superdelegates, which means they vote in the event of a contested convention. Former party chairs also matter as they are also former superdelegates. They matter more than people with no direct voting power besides their own ballot. Early state mayors/senior party activists (state committee members, county party chairs) matter because they hold additional sway in early states that are extremely influential in the primary. This is why they are sought after. - PutItOnAMap 18:26, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

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