Talk:List of Lebanese people

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Personally, I think we shouldn't list too many politicians here – just the more prominent ones, leaving the rest to Politics of Lebanon and similar articles. What do others think? - Udzu 15:11, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Frank Zappa

Despite appearing on a number of websites, Frank Zappa is, I believe, a common case of misidentification. He himself says in [10] that his mother was French/Italian and his father was Sicilian-born. He also notes that his father was of Greek-Arab origin, but as far as I know this has never been properly clarified. While it may be that one or both of Zappa's paternal grandparents were Arabs (possibly Lebanese - though that's never stated), this feels unlikely. For one, Zappa is a very Italian/Sicilian surname. Also, a Greek-Arab combination two generations back sounds sufficiently unusual to merit further comment. I think it's most likely that Zappa was refering to his long-term cultural heritage. Sicily was, of course, settled by both Greeks and Arabs. Either way, I don't think it's safe to list him. Juko 02:14, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Helen Thomas

I am moving Helen Thomas from underneath Politicians to Cultural Figures:Writers. --AStanhope 13:22, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Bob Katter

I have reverted Juko's edit which removed Bob Katter. His ancestry is unquestionably Lebanese, not Afghan (unless his ancestors went from Afghanistan to Lebanon). His grandfather was a Lebanese immigrant, and his father worked to promote Lebanese-Australian ties. This and this are two sources among many that I could find. Also, I think it is questionable whether Alam should have been removed. David Cannon 21:22, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

There seems to be conflicting reports regarding Katter, though your second link seems pretty reliable-looking. A number of websites, however, mention a disparaging remark by Paul Keating about Katter's late father, supposedly in reference to their Afghan heritage. See for example here. Also, your first link contains at least one error – Paula Abdul's father is Syrian Jewish and her mother French-Canadian Jewish.

Regarding Alam, I'm happy to see him readded. My only worry had been that given the size (and disproportional contribution) of the Lebanese diaspora (there are 300,000 Lebanese in Australia alone), the list might become unbrowsable if we listed every local politician.

Finally, is there any reason why you deleted Steve Bracks?

Juko 09:39, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oops! Sorry, I didn't mean to delete Steve Bracks! I just reverted the page to the previous version without checking to ensure that nothing new was deleted. I do apologise. David Cannon 11:10, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Actually, my bad. I'd added Bracks without noticing he was already there (albeit in the wrong place alphabetically). Oops! Juko—Preceding undated comment added at 14:01, 1 April 2005 (UTC)

Charles Malik and Keanu Reeves

Charles Malik appears to have two entries, Keanu Reeves was born in Lebanon but has no Lebanese ancestry? Thanks. Tiller1 09:17, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Reverted page move

I have reverted two page moves made by an anonymous editor without consultation, which created double redirects, and, more importantly, made this list inconsistent with the pages related to other countries in this project. If you want to move this page, please get consensus. David Cannon 21:32, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Neil Sedaka

Neil Sedaka's inclusion appears to be mistaken -- Ashkenazi-Jewish mother whose family came from East Europe, Sephardic-Jewish father whose family came from Istanbul. Am removing for now. AnotherBDA 16:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Yasmine Bleeth

Yasmine Bleeth's father is Jewish and her mother is a Pied-noir (ie. her mother is ethnic French but born in North Africa, in this case Algeria). Her own Wiki states this clearly and links it accordingly.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.217.245.16 (talk) 02:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Being Jewish does not preclude one from being Lebanese. f(x)=ax²+bx+c 08:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Lebanese diaspora

There should probably be a page called "Lebanese diaspora", where all the people who are not actually Lebanese should be listed at. Anyone up for creating it or should I? Mad Jack O'Lantern 04:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if "diaspora" would be the right term to use. In any case, I don't think people who are born in Lebanon but have no Lebanese citizenship or ancestry belong with everyone else on the list. At the very least, they should have a separate section. f(x)=ax²+bx+c 08:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Persons of Lebanese Descent

Please do not vandalize. Nami Jafet has the Main Library in AUB named after him. Nadia Behette is Miss New York 2003. Considering the polpulation of NY v/s Lebanon, she is more notable than many MP's in Lebanon Lcnj 23:30, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

• To Jaber: Please do NOT THREATEN... I gave you a friendly warning because you are vandalizing and insisting on making your "disputed" changes without discussing them on the Discussion page and attempt to obtain consensus for or against your changes. The sad reality is that so many Lebanese have UNNECESSARILY been assasinated. That is not right and is a flagrant disregard to the value of human life!... If you wish to remove "by Syria", I will not object... but you must propose such a change in the discussion and allow other Lebanese to have a concensus with you or against you... Whatever you do, please do not threaten. Thank you Lcnj 02:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
  • To Jaber: I am also totally perplexed. The simple fact that you are removing legendary, very well known, and notable Lebanese figures like the Mir Mjid Arslan [11], Elias Rahbani [12], Wadih El Safi [13], Zaki Nassif [14], Emile Edde, Joyce Gemayel (her status in Lebanon is almost that of Barbara Bush in the US with her President husband and Minister Son) [15], etc... etc.... tells me that you most likely are not an informed Lebanese nor are you familiar with who is notable and who is not in Lebanon. So, please make our job easier by discussing before you delete and obtain consensus instead of making your own changes without consensus. Thank you. Lcnj 03:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

To Lcnj: You are an idiot. I did not threaten you. I removed these people from the list because the list contained errors and no article has been written about them. No one cares about Joyce Gemayel or any of the other people you are adding. As for Wadih el Safi and Elias Rahbani, I ask you to write articles about them before adding them to this list. Also, I don't think anyone who spends his time writing about Bassem Feghali is qualified enough to say Syria assasinated these politicians. Jaber 12:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• I warned you before. Discuss and obtain consensus not engage in Personal attack which will get you blocked from Wikipedia. Joyce Gemayel is the wife of President Amine Gemayel and the mother of Pierre Gemayel. Your saying that no one cares about her is like saying the no one cares about Barbara Bush in the U.S. You may not care about Joyce Gemayel and I respect your opinion. And remember, in a Democracy, we encourage a difference in opinion but people should NOT assasinate each other because they have a difference in opinion. As for the Legendary Wadih El Safi and Elias Rahbani, those in Lebanon have the status of Andrea Bocelli and Henry Mancini in the rest of the world. The burden should not fall on me to write all the articles about notable Lebanese people and Lebanon has produced many. Other Lebanese with GOOD faith, not a political agenda, will come and contribute. I hope this will put an end to this edit war and you help me obtain consensus before you insist again on making your edits which I am clearly disputing.Lcnj 16:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Aren't you the one with a political agenda, with all the nonsense remarks about each politician? Jaber 19:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• To Jaber: No, I do not have any political agenda. However, anyone can read your talk page and history and draw their own conclusions. Before our Edit dispute started, I made "factual" edits that I, and many others, do not consider nonesense nor useless. As part of the discussion, I started making the effort to add sources to support my discussion the Wikipedia way. Instead, you did not make the effort to "discuss" but rather "dictate". What you did today, after you were given one more undeserved chance by Admin Rockpocket who expressly issued a Final Warning "to reinstitute your indefinite block", was:

1. You continued to ignore the discussion and consensus and just insisted, once again, on making your own changes that I am still disputing up until this moment. You simply "dictated" to me "I'm going to remove the useless and/or biased remarks next to each name" [16] and, knowing that I am still disputing your changes, you just went ahead and made your changes without regards to my dispute, discussion or consensus.
2. An Editor should remain civil and refrain from personal attacks and uncivil language... By looking at your history, I see you were ALREADY given a second chance from an INDEFINITE block, yet you continued your disruptive behavior vis-a-vis Wikipedia rules, all throughout this dispute, the latest being today AFTER you were issued teh Final Warning... add to that you are still calling my edits useless.
3. I remind you once again that I am STILL disputing your edits so please do not revert again in flagrant violations of the Wikipedia rules and total disregard to my effort to discuss the dispute and gather consensus. Lcnj 17:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• • I added good verifiable sources for the assassinations of Lebanese human beings throughout the years.[17].
    • Jaber: I added Hassan Khaled and Mussa Al Sadr to the list with good sources. If you wish to dispute my verifiable sources for these 2 additions, please let me know with logical reasoning and verifiable sources so I may consider and remove them if need be. Lcnj 18:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

As Rockpocket suggested, you can remove the assasinated remarks and create sublist of Lebanese assasinated people. Enough already.Jaber 15:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I think Lcnj should discuss the issue before changing the edits. It is considered as vandalism. Jaber 17:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for Comment: Notable Lebanese and assassinations

This is a dispute encompassing two issues. Specifically on whether "assassinated", "executed" or "nearly assassinated" individuals should be described as such in a list (e.g. [18]) and generally over the detail of descriptions added to individuals listed (eg, [19]). Also the extent to which indivduals with no Wiki articles (yet) and questioned notability should be listed (e.g [20]). These include, but are not limited to:

• Catalina Prince, Model "Ford Supermodel of Lebanon 1996"
• Waleed Hourani, composer, pianis
• Meen, an alternative lebanese band founded by Fouad and Toni Yammine.
• Elias Ghanem - Head of the Las Vegas Boxing Association
• Elie Yahchouchi- former head basketball committe of the Sagesse club(3 times Asian Champion)
• Richard Hibey, American attorney in Washington, DC, brother of Jim Hibey, son of Anthony "Ezhiyah" Hibey
• Jim Hibey, American attorney in Washington, DC
• Patrick Joseph "PJ" Hasham, a fictional character in the long running Australian drama series Blue Heelers was of Lebanese descent.
• Chadillac - The 'G' out of Lala
• Tarek Yamout - nail and yarn art
• Paul Zgheib - Photographer
• Nadia Tueni - poet
• George Zahar - publisher & editor (Lebanese father)
• Issa Makhlouf - poet
• Mikhael Neame - writer
• Maroun Abboud - writer
• Nidal Achkar - poetess
• Tarek Hijazi - Managing Editor of The Middle East's first and best selling western entertainment magazine - Teen World Magazine -

-- Rockpocket 21:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC) Statements by editors previously involved in dispute

• Jaber: I am not going to say anything . I think I have said and done enough. What I did is make the article look more decent and less humiliating for my country. If you compare mine and his version, you can conclude which is better. He has made no effort to make it look better, he copied the list from other websites and did not bother to search for these names, some of which had other spellings. If you consider what I did as vandalism, then do not bother to block me. I am not going to contribute to Wikipedia anymore, as long as there are people like "Lcnj" who can do whatever they want without being accounted for their actions, which I considered as vandalizing the article. Do whatever you want to the article, I'm to busy and tired to fix it each time. People like Lcnj, or whatever his name is, drove me out of the country. I would be surprised if this person has any friends. Also, I happen to personally know three of six people you mentioned. Do not call me uninformed, as you do not know me. Jaber 13:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
• Lcnj Justification in support of his side of the dispute:

1. As a friendly gesture towards dispute resolution and reaching consensus, I agree to remove all and only those notable persons listed above from Catalina Prince to Tarek Hijazi even though I believe that we are doing this Article injustice by the removal of the highly such notable and highly decortaed Lebanese writer as Maroun Abboud [21], and the world reknowned Lebanese Pianist Walid Hourani [22], [23], and I will personally remove them as soon as this dispute is resolved.
2. The simple fact that Jaber was initially insisting on removing legendary, very well known, and notable Lebanese figures like the Mir Mjid Arslan, Elias Rahbani, Wadih El Safi, Zaki Nassif, Emile Edde, Joyce Gemayel whose status in Lebanon is almost that of Barbara Bush in the US with her former President husband and Minister Son, etc... etc.... tells ANY informed Lebanese that he is most likely not an informed Lebanese nor is he familiar with who is notable and who is not in Lebanon.
3. As for the notable people I started adding the following sources; Mir Mjid Arslan [24], Elias Rahbani [25], Wadih El Safi [26], Zaki Nassif [27], Joyce Gemayel and more that can be verified in the Article.
4. As for the assassinations, I added the following verifiable good sources in support of my belief that all such assassinations took place; Dany Chamoun [28], Bachir Gemayel [29], Pierre Amine Gemayel [30], Rafik Hariri [31], Elias Murr [32], and more that can be verified in the Article.
5. At one time, Jaber agreed to keep ALL the notable persons but insisted on removing the assassination references WITHOUT providing any sources that support his side of the dispute. Later, without consensus, he simply went ahead and removed notable people that he agreed to keep.
6. One more thing, After I added Musa al-Sadr and Hassan Khaled, I made a point to reach out and let him know that I added them and offered to remove them should he disputed them. He specifically said that "he agreed to adding them" [33] then later attacked me [34].
7. I have very little time to dedicate to Wikipedia, however, as part of this dispute, I will continue to try to provide good verifiable sources on assasinations to support my side of the dispute.
8. I would have liked to see the dispute resolved as another dispute on the Article Lebanon was resolved the Wikipedia way. See Matn v/s Metn Lcnj 03:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

• As neutral administrator attempting to mediate between editors in dispute, I offer no opinion. But will ensure the consensus of the community is upheld. Rockpocket 21:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Comments

• Instead of providing reasoning for his side of the dispute ON THIS Article Discussion page along with "good" verifiable sources, Jaber, unrestrained, keeps engaging, without any accountability, in false baseless accusations, continued Personal attack and condescending remarks such as "People like Lcnj, or whatever his name is, drove me out of the country. I would be surprised if this person has any friends". This is not justificiation for his side of the dispute as I did above in good faith... this is not just "impoliteness", this is a flagrant continued Personal attack that remains unrestrained after an insicere apology... and he still "gets away with it". Lcnj 16:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Citation requests

As a matter of process, if one is querying something on the list - and that person already has an article about them - then please check the article itself for a reference before adding the request. If a reliable source is noted there, then add it to the list yourself. This stops us losing good content simply because the original contributor forgot to source.

If the information you are querying is repeated in the article, but is unsourced there also, then add the request to the article page. This is the place other editors are most likely to find and add the request. If the information is not in the article, then by all means add the citation request to the list entry. This obviously does not refer to individuals without articles (red links). In these cases, reliable sources should be provided to indicate both notability and Lebanese descent. Consider WP:LISTV:

For purposes of list inclusion, the most reliable source is the long-standing consensus of editors on the content article of the thing listed; the failure of a content article to support list inclusion criteria should be treated as prima facie evidence against its inclusion in the list. Transient or widely disputed characterizations on a content article should be treated with suspicion by list editors. List editors should also consider whether a characterization within a content article, even if long-standing, is presented as consensus opinion or as the position of a specific named external source; in the latter case, the citation to an external source is only as good as the external source is.

Thanks. Rockpocket 22:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Jaber using different user names

I am requesting civil comments as to whether the user Jaber, who claims to have retired, is now displaying bad faith and underhandedly using one or more different user names to continue his uncivil and impolite remarks and actions yet still changing this Article and editing under, at least, two different user names. I caught him redhanded under Rezhkin when he edited this Article List of Lebanese people and left him a comment which he has deleted from his Talk page (See history at [35]). Please compare Jaber and Rezhkin and let me know what the policy is on using more than one usernames to engage in a continued uncivil course of conduct. Thank you folks. Lcnj 18:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

This is not the place for an official RfC on user conduct (see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct) so i'm changing the heading. Moreover, you should follow the instructions there before posting a premature RfC here or anywhere else. There is a whole list of warning templates you should use first. For the record, while editing from multiple accounts is generally not recommended (without full disclosure), it is not disallowed per se unless the purpose of sock is to be disruptive or evasive. See WP:SOCK. However, should Rezhkin continue to edit disruptively in a pattern indicative of Jaber, both are eligible to be blocked for exhausting the patience of the community. Rockpocket 20:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The truth I tell you, Rockpocket.... I just love your lopsided Double Standards. Our retired friend Jaber has never ceased to attack me mercilessly INCLUDING a flagrant Personal attack TODAY on me AND my unsuspecting parents [36] and you, as a weak Admin who has given Jaber oh so many empty FINAL warnings have said nothing to him let alone do anything effective to him. Ah well, I will let others judge YOUR legacy, Rockpocket. Now, since there was absolutely no disclosure by Jaber, I will reiterate that while editing from multiple accounts is generally not recommended, it is not disallowed unless the purpose of sock is to be disruptive or evasive. Furthermore, should Rezhkin continue to edit disruptively in a pattern indicative of Jaber, both are eligible to be blocked for exhausting the patience of the community. I already caught the same person "redhanded" using, intra alia, both user names. It is not my job to police Jaber and aliases, it is an Admin's job. I just want you and him off my back so I can contribute peacefully to Wikipedia with the rest of the "awesome" Lebanese Editors we have in Lebanon that have helped Lebanon get a PASS on the Good Article nomination... Yay!... Lcnj 21:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

WARNING about the Removal of good verifiable sources

A good Editor, be it retired, blocked, unblocked or shadowing under a new name must remain civil and not, single handedly, remove another Editor's good verifiable source without courteous discussion on the Article's discussion page. This is considered impolite to say the least. Vive la France, Vive Le Liban, Vive Tout Le Monde, Vivent les Vacances!... Lcnj 17:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Serious Content Cleansing and Nonsense Deletion [with all due respect to Editors and the utmost objectivity]

EDITORS -

Some of my changes have been reverted by one editor earlier today and I have reason to believe that the version I presented is much closer to what we would like to see as a more complete version: concise, nonsense-free and based on verifiable content.

In order to find a consensus on what content should be added, modified or removed, I will expose the changes I have made and will be open to discuss each of them point by point. But before I go on with my debate, I would like to remind our dear editors that this is a page (by definition) for prominent Lebanese people; further more, in order to avoid a never-ending list of personalities and instead of delving into a Byzantine debate of who should make it to the list or not (as was the case with user:Lcnj and User:Jaber), I prefer we all start from a common stand point, which is the following: This is a page of prominent people who marked Lebanon 's history and the world's, forever!

In order to make this a homogeneous list as much as possible, we have to approve that while a Lebanese Noble Prize laureate makes it to the list, having influenced humanity, less important people, should simply not (cf. the "Others" section most flagrantly!).

Now let me start by stating my changes and making a small comment to underline their rational.

• The Legendary Historical Figures section should include only (a) historical figures (b) who played legendary roles either in the history of Lebanon or the world's and (c) they should all be of a very similar and close importance to remain in the same height of achievements. That is why I suggest the following:
  • Additions: (note how some of the additions are elaborated definitions of the existing figures)
    • Charles Malik - (1906 - 1987) Lebanese philosopher and diplomat, Harvard PhD laureate and professor at Harvard amongst other renown institutions. Co-drafter of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights
    • William Peter Blatty - book and screenplay writer, known for his book and subsequent movie, "The Exorcist"
    • Hassan Kamel Al-Sabbah - s seen as being the father of the solar cell. Worked for a long time for GE where where he was engaged in mathematical and experimental research, principally on rectifiers and inverters, receiving over 70 United States and foreign patents covering his work. His articles were published in the Genenral Electric Review. He was also on the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers fellowship grade
    • Sir Michael Atiyah - (Lebanese British father) - mathematician, Fields Medal (1966), Abel Prize (2004)
    • Elias J. Corey - Chemist, Nobel Prize in Chemistry (1990)
    • Nicolas Hayek The 'father of Swatch' and creator of the Smart car concept
    • Carlos Ghosn - (also known as Carlos Gaune, from the Lebanese "Ghosn" family), Lebanese Brazilian-born CEO and President of Renault and Nissan Motor, nicknamed the "Cost Cutter"
    • Joseph Barbera & William Hanna, Hanna-Barbera (Lebanese pronunciation: Hannah & Berbere) Creators of the Tom and Jerry, The Flintstones, The Jetsons, Scooby-Doo, Jonny Quest, Space Ghost, Yogi Bear and many other world reknown cartoons that have pinned us to our couches on Saturday mornings--and other times of other days
  • Removals:
    • Tanios Bou-Nader Khneisser figure from Dhour El Shuwayr - The father of the Sword and Shield Folkloric Dance "Saif w' Ters"  : This addition has no references to support its viability. This name is not taught in Lebanese history books (Official curriculum) and is not known in the Lebanese traditions (like Tanios Shahine, leader of 1860 rebellion, for instance). The mentioned figure can be a famous personality in his home town of Dhour El Shuwayr, but is not a figure worth mentioning (with all due respect if the info is true) in a global article about Lebanon, especially with no references to support his achievement. Well, at least not in this top section, but maybe in the less striking "Others" section. The "Seif w Ters", a once traditional dance in Lebanonc is fading out of the Lebanese customs, at a much faster pace than the "Dabke" dance (whose inventor is not cited in this article for example)
    • Nami Jafet (Ni’mah Shadid Yafith), 1860-1923 - After whom the Jafet Library in AUB was named, and whose life size statue decorates the Sahat in Dhour El Shuwayr : Another figure that is unknown by the general Lebanese public and that had little influence on Lebanese society as a whole. He may be a very successful man and a tribute to his home-town Shuwayr, but the likes of this bright figure in Lebanon abound in every village, to the point that adding such a name would lead to adding not less than 60% of Lebanese Immigrants since 1800. So to make long short, let us keep this website focused on Lebanese famous people, known by all Lebanese alike, and not turn this into a tribute page for a village (Shuwayr, in the the two above cases so far)
      
      
• In the Lebanese politicians section, I strongly suggest this one removal:
  • Removal:
    • Joyce Gemayel - Wife of Amin Gemayel and ... : The former first lady has not played enough of a major role in Lebanese politics and is only known as a mere social figure by those who are aware of the Gemayel family tree... Should we start adding first ladies to the list, might as well start by Mrs Mona Hrawi, wife of the former president of the republic, being one of the most influential first ladies in Lebanese history, even by the voice of her husband's opponents and enemies. In all cases, Mrs Gemayel remains the only first lady mentioned in this section, despite not having participated enormously to Lebanese politics nor made a influence worth of pushing her on this list of politicians.

• In the on Politicians of Lebanese Descent, I suggest the following modifications:
  • Additions:
    • Anthony Alexander Alam - political leader, member of the Australian Labor Party (added a reference to make data verifiable)
    • Assid Corban - former Mayor of Henderson Borough and of Waitakere City, New Zealand (added a reference to make data verifiable)
    • Bob Katter - right-wing Australian politician (added a reference to make data verifiable)
    • Sir Nicholas Shehadie, ex-Lord Mayor of Sydney (entry did not exist)
    • George Joseph, ex-Lord Mayors Adelaide (entry did not exist)
  • Removal:
    • Eliott Tanos Sakr- Leader of the Kataeb's youth movement: Not only is this person unknown by the Lebanese public, his name does not even figure when you look him up on Google!
      
      
• On the Activists section:
  • Addition:
    • Candy Lightner - founder of Mothers Against Drunk Drivingand former president of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (modified entry with additional info)
    • Charles Malik - (1906 - 1987) Lebanese philosopher and diplomat, Harvard PhD laureate and professor at Harvard and other reknown institutions. Co-drafter the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (modified content with elaborated data)
  • Removal:
    • Giorgio-Guy Tarraf - (1988 - ) UNESCO Youth Ambassador for the Culture of Peace. Not only is this person non existing on Google search results (except via this article that has hosted him for some time now), but having no references for this piece of information makes its viability look really and easily disputed. Should be deleted for this entry does not qualify as a celebrity, specially not next to the other figures who have achievements that weigh on Lebanon and the world.
      
      
• In the section Military figures:
  • Additions:
    • John Abizaid - US general, CENTCOM Commander, conducted the war on Iraq (updated entry data)
    • Michel Sulaiman - Current General and commander in chief of the Lebanese Army (corrected entry's sentence structure)
  • Removal: (None)
    
    
• In the Section on Film, Theatre, Television, and Radio Personalities:
  • Additions:
    • Joseph Barbera & William Hanna, Hanna-Barbera (Lebanese pronunciation: Hannah & Berbere) Creators of the Tom and Jerry, The Flintstones, The Jetsons, Scooby-Doo, Jonny Quest, Space Ghost, Yogi Bear Creators of the Tom and Jerry, The Flintstones, The Jetsons, Scooby-Doo, Jonny Quest, Space Ghost, Yogi Bear and many other world reknown cartoons that have pinned us to our couches on Saturday mornings--and other times of other days) (entry did not exist!)
    • Elie Samaha - chairman/CEO of Franchise Pictures (entry did not exist!)
    • Catalina Prince, "Ford Supermodel of Lebanon 1996" ; deceased (updated entry data, although this is not considered as a figure that really influenced the Lebanese society or its Film, TV, and theater industry! I doubt this entry should even go on this list)
    • Kathy Najimy, born in lebanon, actress (I dispute the viability of this information and so ask the editor who brought us this information to bring us a reference with a confirmation...)
    • Arsinée Khanjian, actress (Lebanese-born, Armenian ethnicity) (moved this entry a bit lower on the list, for she is less known than many on this list.. by far, if I may add)
  • Removal:
    • Mahmoud Baghdadi, who fought Muhammed Ali and was crippled (this entry looks like nonsense and its credibility is highly disputed) - I recommend immediate deletion of this entry.

• In the Lebanese Musicians section:
  • Addition:
    • Fairouz, born Nouhad Haddad, singer, Lebanese folk diva (entry content updated)
• In the section Musicians of Lebanese Descent:
  • • K-Maro, (Cyril Kamar by birth) is a young Lebanese Canadian born rapper, born in Lebanon in 1980. (edited content of the entry, and information is credible and verifiable)
    • Massari, Lebanese pop and hip-hop singer who grew up in Canada (edited and elaborated the data: now credible and verifiable)
    • Shakira, born to a Colombian mother of Catalan descent and an American-born father of Lebanese Catholic descent. Shakira, which means "grateful" in Arabic (شاكرة), is named after her paternal grandmother (edited and elaborated the data: now credible and verifiable)
    • Gabriel Yared, international Lebanese composer, Academy Award winner for Anthony Minghella's The English Patient (1996) and has been nominated for two others (Cold Mountain (2003) and The Talented Mr. Ripley (1999)). He also composes ballets for Carolyn Carlson and Roland Petit. (update this important entry's info!)
  • Removal:
    • Nawal Zoughbi, pop singer  : Nawal Al Zoghbi has her own page on Wikipedia and has established herself (like so many other Lebanese pop singers in the nineties) as one of the most renown Pop singer. In any case, she is not to be listed in this section reserved for world renown musicians of Lebanese descent (meaning of Lebanese roots, or born in Lebanon but lived and succeeded elsewhere) In the case of Al Zoghbi, she is mentioned in a different section and should ergo be deleted from this section, no doubt about that.

• In the section Scientists:
  • Additions:
    • Hassan Kamel Al-Sabbah - seen as being the father of the solar cell. Worked for a long time for GE where where he was engaged in mathematical and experimental research, principally on rectifiers and inverters, receiving over 70 United States and foreign patents covering his work. His articles were published in the Genenral Electric Review. He was also on the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers fellowship grade (entry content updated and elaborated to suit this famous Lebanese inventor)
    • Sir Michael Atiyah - (Lebanese British father) - mathematician, Fields Medal (1966), Abel Prize (2004) (updated content of this entry)
    • Charles Elachi - (from Lebanese family El-Achi) is the director of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and vice president of the California Institute of Technology (Corrected content of this entry)
    • George Harik - former Director of Googlettes (department of Google Inc). His team was responsible for the product management and strategy efforts surrounding many starting Google initiatives including Gmail, Google Talk, Google Video, Picasa, Orkut, Google Groups and Google Mobile. Harik was also the co-developer of the technology behind AdSense, the first engineering manager of the Google Search Appliance, and the co-author of the original product plan for the AdWords Online system.
  • Removals:
    • Abdulrahim N. Chafi - chemist and civil/environmental engineer; president of Dar Science and Engineering (This person is not a Lebanese famous figure, and this entry seems like parasite content since it cannot be supported by viable evidence)
    • Alain Chikhani - plastic surgeon (Johns Hopkins Hospital, USA) (parasite content and has no viable sources - figure not famous amongst the Lebanese)

• In the section for Lebanese Entrepreneurs:
  • Additions:
    • Carlos Ghosn - (also known as Carlos Gaune, from the Lebanese family "Ghosn"), Lebanese Brazilian-born CEO and President of Renault and Nissan Motor. Nicknamed the "Cost Cutter", he is largely credited with turning Nissan around, and voted Man of the Year 2003 by Fortune magazine's Asian edition. (updated entry contact to make it more suitable for this internationally renowned businessman)
    • Nicolas Hayek The 'father of Swatch' and creator of the Smart car concept (updated the entry info)
    • Al-Waleed bin Talal - Lebanese mother, grandson of Prime Minister Riad El Solh, is the richest Arab and one of the richest (8th, according to Forbes) men in the world ; head of Kingdom Holdings. Known as The Warren Buffet of the East (Updated the entry info)

• In the section "Others":
  • Additions:
    • Nami Jafet (Ni’mah Shadid Yafith), 1860-1923 - After whom the Jafet Library in AUB was named, and whose life size statue decorates the Sahat in Dhour El Shuwayr (As mentioned above, this personality of no national fame must be kept a bit only if added in a very low profile way in this section for instance)
    • Tanios Bou-Nader Khneisser figure from Dhour El Shuwayr - The father of the Sword and Shield Folkloric Dance "Saif w' Ters" (same goes for this entry as the previous one... in both cases, the viability of these 2 bits of information can be quite suspicious if not referenced by a viable source)
  • Removals: (Immediately REMOVE the following entries!!! They destroy the serious image of this page!)
    • Fadi Farroukh, Lebanese superhero known as "The Mask". Student of Bruce Lee, he is a master in Jeet Kune Do. (Indisputably nonsense content!)
    • Souheil Badawi, another Lebanese superhero, known as "el-CHAHEM", partner of "The Mask" in fighting crimes. (Indisputably nonsense content!)
    • Simonus Beyikhus, Lebanese female supervillain who tries to dominate the world by telling very very bad jokes and laughing hilariously on them. Archenemy of "The Mask", she used to be his friend before stabbing him in the back and kicking him out of her house.(Indisputably nonsense content!)
    • Kamal Tarabine The yougnest of the three superhero known by"the sex machine" previously a member of the 3rd reich,and because The MaSk and el_chahem are old like my uncle he is now taking responsability of saving achrafieh and it suburbs (Indisputably nonsense content!)

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Please read the above suggestions very carefully as they touch many sections on this article and suggest very serious and highly interesting modifications/changes (be it additions/modifications or deletions). Please give opinions to all the aforementioned points, stating why you disagree to these changes.

Thank you for your time and attention.
Jixavius 23:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

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Welcome back, Jaber...

First please refrain from using words like "nonesense". This is your 2nd personal attack and I will report all 3 personal attacks if you ever attack me again.

However, I thank you for adhereing to this friendly dispute. As long as you do not go back to your old antics and violate Wikipedia rules, I will work with you on your debating and resolving your proposed edits that I disputed for the most part. I also disagree with most of your delitions because notability is not detremined by you and people you may not personally know can be notable. Many people including yourself most likely do not know who "Alen MacLeod Cormek" is, but he is still very notable and should be listed in Wikipedia. I looked at your additions, and I will respond to them in my dispute. You have given me a long list. Please do not make changes until I have had the time to absorb all this and enter my dispute and then either agree or reach consensus with other editors. Lcnj 01:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I see clearly that we are not going to agree on everything here, so I will propose a middle of the road consensus in an effort to resolve this dispute without consuming much of our much needed time to contribute to the main Lebanon article. I have removed some and added some of your proposed additions in a good faith effort. Lcnj 02:18, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

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Dear Lcnj,
Great job ( I just finished checking it out). I am glad you agreed with most of my suggestions. I have added some notes here and there to make this look as objective and neutral as possible so it becomes plausible to the biggest public possible.. I think you will agree with my notes/additions.
And for the last time, please stop calling me Jaber. I have so far thought you are an intelligent individual. Jumping to conclusions will not help keep that image of you in my mind. FYI: Jixavius has been my nick name for many many years now. If you had googled it, you would have guessed Jaber (your old arch-ennemy it seems :-) and I are 2 very different people ;o)
And last but not least, we don't know each other, so please never take anything I say to be personal. The word nonsense is a Wikipedia term (nonsense). I am trying my best to be constructive. Check it out before you start growing grudges and negative energy in your heart. Keep the positive mindset and we will all be happy.
Thank you for efforts and have a good one!
J

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References

The Basbous family ?

I think we should add an entry about the Basbous family? (the renown sculptors)
anybody up to it? or shall I do it myself?
Thanks. J
Jixavius 12:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Notability

I've heard there is a content dispute on this page. I don't quite know what's going on, but it might help to change the article scope from famous people to "notable" people, as WP:NOTABILITY is a well worn guideline around here. -- Kendrick7^talk 17:15, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I find your remark quite interesting Kendrick (Thank you)... Anybody against that change?
Jixavius^talk 17:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Edmond Safra

His family appears to be from Aleppo, Syria. His father did set up shop in Beruit, but I can't find a WP:RS tying Edmond to Lebanon. -- Kendrick7^talk 20:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Kendrick, I have found the following sources that all converge as to the life story of the prominent private banker. Born in Lebanon (Aley'), he founded a Lebanese subsidiary of the Safra Bros Bank under his own name in Beirut, and only left Lebanon circa 1948, when the state of Israel was declared and the Jews started to feel uncomfortable in the Arab world, and established their business in Sao Paolo back then...

I found these sources that could support these facts: [37], [38], [39] and [40].

-- Jixavius^talk 2:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Good work, I ref'd it up. -- Kendrick7^talk 01:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Karl Wolf is not K-Maro :

EDITORS- In the section Musicians of Lebanese Descent, I had already edited an entry for K-Maro[[41]] (see artist's bio) marking that he is a Canadian Lebanese born musician (providing a reference). Now I see another editor has evoked another Candian Musician born and raised in Lebanon, Karl Wolf [Ref #19:[42]], while trying to ref K-Maro. Nice discorvery! :o)
Let me point out that both musicians are NOT French; and of course, both of them should be included in the list. Jixavius 18:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

In the section Musicians of Lebanese Descent, I had already edited an entry for K-Maro[[43]] (see artist's bio) marking that he is a Canadian Lebanese born musician (providing a reference). Now I see another editor has evoked another Candian Musician born and raised in Lebanon, Karl Wolf [Ref #19:[44]], while trying to ref K-Maro. Nice discorvery! :o)
Let me point out that both musicians are NOT French; and of course, both of them should be included in the list. Jixavius 18:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Good catch. Google's cache of the "December music" page was still the 2005 article for K-Maro, not the 2006 for Karl Wolf, which is was I looked at and referenced just assuming the K. initialism meant they were the same person. -- Kendrick7^talk 20:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Umm...I am very confused about Hanna and Barbera being included. Except for 2 articles that appeared to be linked and state that Barbera is of Lebanese descent (and numerous wikipedia copies), other places list him as being Sicilian (including his own Wikipedia page!). Where did this information come from? I'm not necessarily saying it isn't true, but it seems like it might not be. 130.126.33.111 21:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)Alisa

Barberra

For edification of anon user above, Barbera was born in New York to Lebanese parents -- Kendrick7^talk 13:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

And who exactly said otherwise? :) -- Jixavius 10:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Someone seemed to have confused a report of him being born in little italy with his being Sicilian. Go figure. -- Kendrick7^talk 19:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Joyce Gemayel is not that notable to be listed; She is even hardly a Politician :

Worldedixor added a ref to Joyce Gemayel which I would not really qualify as a "reliable reference" (a link to a Google search for the lady's name...). Let me shed some light on out why I keep disputing the existence of the Joyce Gemayel entry in the Politicians section (notably with a previous user, Lcnj, who has apparently changed his/her identity now). As a matter of fact, the arguments are simple:

• Firstly: First ladies do not count as Political figures (see First Lady), per se (merely social figuers, maybe, depending on the pertinence of their role and social involvement during their husband's mandate). Let me remind you that on that level, Mrs. Gemayel had her hands a bit tied during her husband's mandate because back then, Lebanon was still drawned in the bloody Civil War and there was nothing much she could do anyway, besides moral support maybe;
• Secondly: I don't think we should take Google as a viable reference of notability when we find 15'000 search results for any full name search. Let me elaborate on this one: in fact, as you may or may not know, shoud you Google a name like "Joyce Saliba" (I am using a random combination of first and last name, inspired by Mrs. Gemayel first name and Mr. George Saliba's last name), the super-powerful search engine will look up all the occurences of (Joyce Saliba), (Saliba Joyce), (Joyce) and (Saliba). Actually, I looked Joyce Saliba and found some 200K matches, you think she should be added to? To add more complexity to the results, we should consider that, and it is quite normal, that the occurences of a first name like (Joyce) is more likely to be found (especially being a latin name used in many Western countries) than all the results of "Joyce Gemayel" put together. Not to mention that a name like (Gemayel), being a recurrent family name in Lebanese politics articles, will surely give an extra boost to the search results numbers;
• Thirdly: (the best part yet) and if you still insist on using Google as a reference to your scaling, try to be more specific. Look up "Joyce Gemayel"—with quotations that is—, and to be fair also, add to the number of matches you find the number of results when Googling "Gemayel Joyce". Don't be amzed as your thousands fall down to just some hundreds.

In conclusion, not only will I remove the (Google) reference to Mrs. Gemayel's entry, I am going to remove the entire entry for now. We could then discuss, if you think it is still worth the time, the "notability" of the first lady and whether she should be included or not, under a Social Figures section later on. And I sure don't want to open up that door, because many Lebanese first ladies (or wives of other prominent politicians) have indeed had more impact on the social Lebanese life than Mrs. Gemayel. Thank you —Jixavius 10:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Without having an opinion on the notability Mrs. Gemayel, I would just like to note that a raw google search for a name is never an acceptable reliable source. See WP:GOOGLE for why. Rockpocket 18:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

<<comment removed per Wikipedia's privacy policy, do not reveal personal information on other editors>> Rockpocket 06:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

With all due respect to all editors and their WP:POVs (although they should not be influential in WP's edits to keep articles neutral), I strongly invite all editors to keep--relentlessly--openly discussing their arguments behind all their edits. This will ensure this article's neutrality, (relative) objectivity and equilibrium vis a vis the very long list of the renowned and notable Lebanese people (most of which is missing from this list anyhow). Thank you for your understanding and from refraining to act otherwise in order to respect each others' work and contributions. —Jixavius 10:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Editors. Please be aware that IP address 84.14.145.210 (see History of this page and click on IP address 84.14.145.210) is non other than a socketpuppet for Jihad who is wearing out his welcome very quick. He removed my references on Gemayel without discussion or asking for my authorization... References that were good enough to an Admin. It is very unethical to use an IP address when you already have a screen name, Jihad. Enough already!...Worldedixor 20:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello :-) and yes, I guess the IP above is one of my IPs at work. Sorry for the mishap dear editors. I must have been so eager to edit some stuff (and I clearly commented why I did what I did) and and forgot to login before I started the editing. And contrarily to what some might accuse me of, I am not afraid to say what's on my mind :-) I stay cool like any editor is supposed to be when debating earthly issues like addition of a tiny datum in an article and don't get all emotional and accusative/paranoid. So please, all of you out there, don't worry, I don't use any suckpuppets to hide my comments as I am as clear and honest as far as the limits of politness permit. Excuse our colleague Lcnj who has just learned how to put search engines to good (or bad) use and find relevant information (or so he thinks) to help him in his ... schemes. He doesn't mean to intimidate nor condescend to me in anyway. And I am sure in his next post on this page, he will talk of issues that are more relevant to the article only. Right? :-) --Jixavius ^@ 22:31, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Jixavius: You are violating Personal attack. This is your first warning to cease and desist. Worldedixor 22:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

And so are you my dear contributor. And don't talk to me about personal attacks. We both know what you did ;-) --Jixavius ^@ 22:58, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

WHAT DID I DO, JERK? Just go edit... and LEAVE ME ALONE... Stop talking to me and about me... Worldedixor 23:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Worldedixor/Lcnj: You are violating Personal attack. This is your "first" warning to cease and desist :-) --Jixavius ^@ 23:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Looking, if we just use the notability criteria at WP:N this shouldn't be a problem; in fact, just create a stub article for Joyce Gemayel and WP:AFD it. If it survives, she's notable and can be included here. If not, she's not. Simple as that. -- Kendrick7^talk 23:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Kendrick7: An Admin already said he was satisfied with the refrences I provided for Gemayel's notability. Can we stop dissecting my edits and encourage Jixavius fabrications and harassment?? Worldedixor 23:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I know you are on tilt, but this is a perfectly fine solution which cuts to the chase. I intend to go thru the article and clean out people not notable enough for an article themselves at some point anyway. -- Kendrick7^talk 23:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Kendrick: You are welcome to edit as you please... but your Personal attack is just that. You are inly feeding into harassement. Worldedixor 23:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Personal attack? Hmmm... let me word that another way then: I sympathize with your frustration. Better? -- Kendrick7^talk 23:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

What frustration? I have not attacked you so BACK OFF!... By your "picking in me", you are just feeding into the harassement of that guy who wants nothing more that for you to gang up on me... Worldedixor 23:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I have never in my life seen so much negative energy!! Geeez!! Kendrick, I support you in doing whatever you suggested. I am a new editor here and don't know what the optimal way to cut the chase in solving such pending issues is. So I think you know best... Cheers! --Jixavius ^@ 23:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I am do busy to do anything here at the present time. I have added Template:chill to the top of this discussion. -- Kendrick7^talk 23:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Further, lets all take tea and remember there is no angry mastodons around here. If anyone believes strongly an individual should be listed, then go and create a one line WP:STUB on that person. If the article isn't deleted, then the person is clearly notable and can be listed without argument. If they are deleted, they are clearly not notable. Either way, the problem gets resolved. Rockpocket 06:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Since there appears to be some revert-warring going on, I took the liberty of creating a Joyce Gemayel stub myself. I know nothing about Mrs Gemayel, and care even less whether she is notable or not. However, I'm tired of the disputes about notability at on a list. If anyone could improve the stub, please do so. Or is she isn't deemed notable enough in your opinion, please list at WP:AfD and explain why, then we can let the community decide. Could we try and use this process in future, instead of fighting over red links here, please? Rockpocket 10:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Further to this, I have a made a procedural listing to delete this article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joyce Gemayel - If you have an opinion, please have your say there. Rockpocket 21:38, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Warren Buffett

How is he on this list? He isn't Lebanese. I couldn't find anything to confirm he is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.29.104 (talk) 03:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Total nonsense entries

Come on guys, this list is used as hoax by some people, as a scene for polical fights by others and as a vanity mirror by most (the only ones removed because of red links). Actually I would rather keep the red links and not have hoaxes kept such s Gengis Khan, Warren Buffet or Alberto Tomba (Alberto Tomba is from Becharre ? Did you know that Hakim ?) This list is unuseful and stupid. All Lebanese with an article in Wikipedia are included in a category. Maybe we should simply add a Category : Lebanese People and another one People of Lebanese Origin. What do you think ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cleanuplebanonproject (talk • contribs) 11:40, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Shannon Elizabeth is not Lebanese she is Syrian!!! Stop listing the girl as leb. Also You forgot to include Catherine Keener her mother is full blooded Lebanese her father is Irish.—Preceding unsigned comment added by FrenchMan0408 (talk • contribs) 06:31, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Keanu Reeves

Can someone please explain why Keanu Reeves is listed on this page? Yes, he was born in Beirut. However, as far as I know, neither he nor his parents were of Lebanese ancestry. Furthermore, he is not a citizen of Lebanon (note the Keanu Reeves article in Wikipedia). Therefore, what makes him Lebanese? I deleted his name from the article yesterday, but XLR8TION has added him back. I would suggest we remove Mr. Reeves form the list, or modify the name of the article (as it will need to indicate that it can include people born there without actually being Lebanese). Can anyone clarify? Not home (talk) 19:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia's definition of Lebanese.

"Something of, from, or related to Lebanon, a country in Western Asia, on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea."

Keanu was born in Beirut, Lebanon. He is a product of Lebanon. While his ancestry might differ, the fact he is OF Lebanon.

On the the List of Puerto Ricans, actor Joaquin Phoenix is on the list because he was born in Puerto Rico. He might not have Puerto Rican parents, but the fact that his birth certificate is from the island, he gets added to the list.--XLR8TION (talk) 23:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I believe it is highly misleading to include Mr. Reeves on this page because the average wiki reader will assume that one or both of the following circumstances or true:

• 1 - one or both his parents were of Lebanese ancestry
• 2 - he is a citizen of Lebanon

However, is it turns out, neither is true. I have nothing against Keanu, but I think it is a dis-service to peope who are ACTUALLY Lebanese and who are proud of the many accomplishments of their kin. In the final analysis, you can include him on your list, but it appears inappropriate to me.Not home (talk) 03:43, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

• • I have spoken with many Lebanese nationals and they don't have a problem with Keanu either. They actually are proud that he is from Beirut. There are many Lebanese on this list who are NOT citizens of Lebanon, and are only 1/4 or 1/2 Lebanese in ancestry (e.g., Shakira, John Leguizamo, Zoe Saldana, etc.). Should I remove all of them simply because of the purity of their roots? I don't think that would be a wise move.--XLR8TION (talk) 07:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

The Lebanese status of Shakira is unquestionable and is completely different from Keanu Reeves' tenuous connection to the country. She actually has ancestors who are Lebanese. Your suggestion to remove her from the list because I don’t approve the addition of Keanu is a classic example of “Setting up a Straw Man.” Not home (talk) 13:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

• • I don't think so, and as I have explained, Wikipedia defines Lebanese as "Of being from Lebanon." Keanu was born in Beirut. End of story.--XLR8TION (talk) 17:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

• While you won't admit that you set up a Straw Man in your previous argument, you at least covered your arse by adding "or place of birth" to the page description. At least his name can be included now without it being so absurd.Not home (talk) 17:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

• • The only one running thin like a straw on this conversation is yourself. Find better things to do with your time than to argue an extremely weak conversation here. Also, here is the definition for Lebanese [45] for your reference. Have a great day!--XLR8TION (talk) 17:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

• Ok, go ahead and include him on the list because you added "or place of birth" to the page's description. However, to be accurate you still need to fix the first line of the article. It still says "This is a list of notable Lebanese people or of notable persons of Lebanese origin." He does not satisfy anything in that sentence. He is not a "Lebanese people (person)" and he is not of "Lebanese origin." So, you should change that sentence to read as follows "This is a list of notable Lebanese people, notable persons of Lebanese origin, or people who happened to have been born in Lebanon even though they are not citizens even to this day but someone at Wikipedia wants them on this list anyway." That way you can include people who might have been born on the tarmac at Beirut International Airport while their mum's flight was in route from Dubai to London on Air Liban. - "Running thin like straw"...hmm...that doesn't make sense. My point, which you obviously missed, was that Shakira can be legitimately classified as Lebanese because of her ancestry and her embrace of Lebanese heritage, while Keanu is neither Lebanese by ancestry, by family tradition/culture/heritage, nor by citizenship. Your comparison of the two was a false argument (a Straw Man). Well, enjoy your territorial control over this corner of Wikipedia.Not home (talk) 19:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Joseph Barbera

Mr. Barbera's biography on Wikipedia contains 5 sources confirming he is of Sicilian ancestry. Your source is not reliable and therefore he should not be included on this list. Furthermore, do not revert constructive edits I have done on this list correcting grammar and structural errors. Please have at least four verifiable references confirming Mr. Barbera is Lebanese or this will be end of conversation. --XLR8TION (talk) 19:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Please see these verifiable links:

http://www.american.com/archive/2006/december/joseph-barbera-an-appreciation/article_print

http://www.niaf.org/research/contribution.asp

http://books.google.com/books?id=gy-FsWq_tOEC&pg=PA155&dq=joseph+barbera+sicilian#v=onepage&q=sicilian&f=false (Page 155) [Book was written by Iwao Takamoto, one of Barbera's closest friends and colleagues)

http://books.google.com/books?id=LAzWAAAAMAAJ&dq=joseph+barbera+sicilian&q=sicilian#search_anchor (Joseph Barbera's autobiography, "My life in 'toons: from Flatbush to Bedrock in under a century" By Joseph Barbera Page 128 - HE HIMSELF SAYS HE IS SICILIAN!!!!) READ!--XLR8TION (talk) 20:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

This same debate is on much of the Barbera talk page. Substantial FIRST PARTY info proves he's Sicilian, not Lebanese. Explanation of how this erroneous info came about is there too. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Reorganization of the page

The List page had become problematic pot pourri of everything without any focus. Mixing apples and oranges to the extent it had become unmanageable. From time to time, editors would come and delete en masse big chunks of names saying there's no proof this is Lebanese origin or not. Enough is enough. To my mind, we should not mix Lebanese nationals about whom there is no doubt with those of the diaspora where origins are iffy. It is meaningless to have musicians in Beirut lumped with musicians elsewhere, politicians in Lebanon with former presidents in Uruguay or Jamaica. I have created separate lists for each country with the present list only to the Lebanese nationals. Double listing can be made in case he is prominent both in Lebanon and abroad. Another advantage of country pages is that those pages are tied in to the Lebanese Diaspora article of that specific country. E.g. List of Lebanese peopel (Canada) is toied in to the Lebanese Canadians page werldwayd (talk) 04:34, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Saints

Saints are Christian. Read the opening phrases of these articles and you will see that they were canonized by the Pope. There are NO saints in Islam. Please do not change title's subject. --XLR8TION (talk) 13:27, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Protection request

Due to ongoing content dispute and vandalism, protection of this page is requested. Anonymous user is slandering me on page and refusing to discuss changes on this page after numerous attempts. Request is requested immediately.--XLR8TION (talk) 14:09, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}}

Go to WP:RPP to request protection. Algebraist 14:15, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

--84.235.73.167 (talk) 13:41, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Paul youssef

Paul Youssef born April 6, 1995, is a Lebanese basketball player currently playing for the EFIR Basketball team in Saudi Arabia . He is also the current captain of the basketball team that participated in the 2010 tournament of Riyadh, in the 2011 EFIR team participated in the Championship between high-schools which took place in Khobar. In these tournaments Paul Youssef had an impressive average of 33.6 points per game including 6.2 assists, 3 blocks and 13.7 rebounds. Paul Youssef known as the beast (name given by fans) led his team to a 14 to nothing win streak in the tournament of Riyadh. He was named MVP in the year of 2011 and in that year he proved his real potential by also wining his high school dunk contest. For a 6ft3 16 year old student he has a very impressive vertical jump of 5'1" wich gives him the ability to play in almost all positions. Paul Youssef could be the future of Lebanese basketball. During this season scouts from many Euro-league teams like Real Madrid , Roma and West Berlin, contacted this rising STAR for a contract agreement but the Beast had to refuse the offer for educational reasons. — Preceding comment added by [[User:Basketball Federation] (talk )

Unusual criteria; suggested change

This list -- different from other lists of this type that I've seen on wp -- says it is a list of notable individuals: a) "born and residing mainly in Lebanon"; and b) "Lebanese expatriates residing overseas and possessing Lebanese citizenship."

Usually, from what I've seen (and I've seen a great number of such lists), the "residing mainly in" criterion is absent from such lists. Same with the "and possessing Lebanese citizenship" criterion. See, for example, List of French people, or List of Canadians.

The list also states: "For people of Lebanese descent, see List of Lebanese people (Diaspora)".

But that list says it is a list of: a) "notable Lebanese individuals born in the Lebanese diaspora of Lebanese ancestry", or b) "people of dual Lebanese and foreign nationality who live in the diaspora."

Read literally, a person born in Lebanon and living in the diaspora -- but who does not retain dual nationality -- would not qualify for either list.

I propose deleting the "residing mainly in" criterion, both to bring this list into line with other such lists, and to allow for the reflection of people born in Lebanon, but who do not live mainly in Lebanon, and for whom we have no RS support for the notion that they continue to retain Lebanese citizenship. Epeefleche (talk) 21:06, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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