Talk:List of Liv and Maddie characters

Pair reveal or pair reveals?

I thought pair was a plural. "when the pair reveals" doesn't sound right to me. Are you sure this isn't a misnomer? 2602:30A:C037:A450:E5F4:E1C1:A46E:CA5B (talk) 01:36, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

It depends on whether you're in the US or UK. In the US, you go by the word, not what it contains, whereas it's the opposite in the UK. For example, the word "group" is singular, but can contain several entities. In the US, it would be correct to say, "The group has awesome hair." However, in the UK, it would be correct to say, "The group have awesome hair." As this article relates to a TV show in the US, we should follow US grammar rules. Amaury (talk) 01:58, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Incorrect reference for Joey's full name

The article reads: In "Sweet 16-a-Rooney", it is revealed that his full name is "Joseph". But the reference mentions "Sleep-a-Rooney" instead. nyuszika7h (talk) 19:21, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

 Resolved As I thought, the episode name in the reference was the incorrect part. nyuszika7h (talk) 17:40, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Liv and Maddie's doubles

The information in the article is incorrect, as Dove Cameron actually portrays both characters, but "the backs of Buckner's and Wulfert's heads are used to add to the illusion that they are filming twins". [1] I'm not sure what would be the best way to phrase it, though. – nyuszika7h (talk) 17:34, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I noticed in the list of episodes article "Shelby Wulfert as Maddie 2, Emmy Buckner as Liv 2" in the ep summaries with a "Guest star" credit. Seems weird as body doubles with no lines would never normally get any actor credit at all and would normally be treated similar to extras. Same way stunt doubles are normally treated. If they are actually getting a real named credit and even more so the high-level guest-star credit, that would influence how this article is written. I see that the article credits have been upgraded recently and assumed someone has watched the episodes in question so didn't double check - I don't have any of this shows episodes to view. Could someone confirm this is how the doubles are credited? Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:54, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: I can indeed confirm they are credited as such from the guest stars I have added over the time. You can see it at 24:57 here for Voltage-a-Rooney. Amaury (talk) 18:01, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: I recently went over the episode list to make sure the guest star lists match the actual credits, so they should be accurate for all episodes up to the latest aired episode at the time of writing ("Joy-to-a-Rooney"). nyuszika7h (talk) 18:17, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I don't normally double check editors I trust so assumed when added they had a more significant role than body double. We shouldn't be second guessing the producers of their evaluation of the level of role and actor contribution to an episode so, of course, we should document it as credited. As to the initial observation by Nyuszika7H that they are only doubles that conflicts a bit with the fact they are getting a guest star credit. I suspect their contribution is a bit more than as body doubles. (Either that or they have real good agents to negotiate that credit and the pay that goes with it). Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:25, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Given they are getting a guest star credit they should be listed in the character descriptions as actors for both Liv and Maddie along with the reference that describes their role. This is interesting info and well-referenced so I think would add to the article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:31, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Also, from the article above, "We never think of Emmy and Shelby as 'photo doubles.' They are Dove's scene partners and a critical piece in creating what ends up getting on the air." That would explain the guest star credit. nyuszika7h (talk) 18:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Tend vs tends

From my understanding of grammar and what sounds correct to me - "tends" is third person singular only and "tend" is used for all other present tense verb forms. "Pair" as discussed above is a group noun, consider singular in American English and plural in British English. The "pair tends" reflects American usage and the "pair tend" reflects British usage. To my ear both sound OK depending on context of whether the pair is acting as a unit doing some one thing or as two individuals doing similar things. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:20, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: Great points, GP! I don't disagree, at least with a word like "pair"—though I would with a word like "group"—that both sound okay, so then it just becomes a matter of going by the article. In this case, the article is based on a US show, so we should go by that obviously, and I don't think there are any exceptions that I'm unaware of. I didn't revert it and won't bother reverting it for now, but I still disagree with something like this as "is" is correct for American English, but you believe even in American English, context plays a role, so I don't know. It may just be better to reword that to be something like, "They are both suddenly classmates..." and likewise for the other areas like that. That way there would be no confusion, and I may do just that whenever I get around to doing my clean-up of this. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:31, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

I think rephrasing is best for grammar uncertainties like this. "Pair" in this article seems to mean exactly the same as "Liv and Maddie" and replacing "pair" with "Liv and Maddie" would solve most the issues we have with what is the proper verb form to use. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:53, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Another noun that could be used as well is twins. Thanks to Ctrl + F, twins is only three times, so it wouldn't that repetitive. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 15:13, 1 November 2016 (UTC)