Talk:List of Liv and Maddie episodes

Article split

Even though the second season doesn't start till September should we split the content into Liv and Maddie (season 1), and (season 2) CHall2002 (talk) 03:47, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose: We don't normally consider splits to season articles until well info the third season. No need for this now. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:00, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose, per Geraldo Perez. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 01:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Viewership data

I have found SEVERAL sources that show that the viewership data in this section is false, and my source is reliable. I did NOT create the site. It was all valid and I don't know what was so wrong with my source. 47.16.171.52 (talk) 16:34, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Websites you create are not reliable sources. Viewership data in the article is currently based on what is in reliable sources. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:37, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Again, I did NOT create the site. How can you prove that the info on my source is false? 47.16.171.52 (talk) 16:41, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

The burden of proof is not on others to prove what you added is false, it is yours to prove it is true by citing a reliable source for it, not some random website with no reputation for fact checking created by some anonymous person. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:47, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Can you give me some examples of reliable sources that are sometimes used for citing viewership data? 47.16.171.52 (talk) 16:50, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/FAQ#Reliable sources --Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:57, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

I bet all of those so called "reliable sources" were new at one time or another. How could you tell then if they was reliable or not? What told you that they contained valid or invalid info? 47.16.171.52 (talk) 17:08, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Some sites have real people with their real names write the articles and are willing to stand behind what they write. All sites have an established reputation for fact checking. See Identifying reliable sources. Some were discussed at reliable sources noticeboard and consensus gained that they were reliable. Newness and anonymity are strong negatives. If you want another opinion on any source ask at WP:RSN - there is also a search function for what has been discussed. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

WTF

Why the fuck are the body doubles listed for every bloody episodes? Was this list last edited by their mothers?-217.248.22.47 (talk) 21:02, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Because they're guest stars... Amaury (talk) 21:05, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

They are, but there should be a level of common sense here, too. "Liv 2" and "Maddie 2" would not be actual names of people, but instead distinguishing between the main actress and their doubles. MPFitz1968 (talk) 21:08, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

I was checking the list, and the doubles are listed in every episode's guest starring list. Wouldn't it be better to list them in a better context before each season's table, something to the effect of "Liv and Maddie's doubles are portrayed by Emmy Buckner and Shelby Wulfert, respectively"? MPFitz1968 (talk) 21:17, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

On what planet are body doubles "guest stars"? It's nuts, get rid of it.-217.248.22.47 (talk) 21:37, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

That's how Disney has chosen to credit them, and we can't just ignore it as they are equally important as any other guest star, so no. Amaury (talk) 22:19, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

So if Disney calls them IRS, you start paying taxes to them? That's a bullshit argument. They are fucking body doubles.-217.248.59.227 (talk) 00:28, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

I suggest you start being WP:CIVIL.

We can't just include the guest stars we like. If an episode of a show has six actors with a guest star credit, we must list them all. Amaury (talk) 00:41, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Disney has indicated, by giving them the high-level "guest star" credit, that they contribute more to the episode than a mere body double would. I feel uncomfortable trying to second guess the evaluations of the production team (a.k.a. WP:OR) as to what the creative team of the show consider the level of contribution to an episode of the actors involved. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:31, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Slurp-a-Rooney not aired

Looking on Amazon, it's not available, and they can't release stuff before it premieres. However, Zap2it shows an air date of March 28—yesterday—which is a bit odd considering that's a Monday. It's not yet listed on The Futon Critic, so I'm not sure how best to handle it. It's either a case of it airing somewhere else first, like with those episodes from Jessie and Austin & Ally, or it's a case similar to what happened with Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn last year. Amaury (talk) 04:16, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Zap2it is good for schedules and plans, seems a bit light on keeping a record of what actually happened. Futon is better that way and I'd trust futon, Amazon and iTunes over Zap2it. I suggest keep Zap2it as the title ref but strike the airdate with a hidden note that it didn't happen as scheduled. Wait for Futon and see what they say. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:31, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Or if the premiere air dates in Canada are before those in the US, they still count those despite said shows being US shows. Only the US dates should count. In any case, hopefully The Futon Critic updates soon as you said. Amaury (talk) 04:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

One of the creators of the show recently stated on his twitter that Slurp-a-Rooney has become Scoop-a-Rooney which we know airs April 24, 2016. https://twitter.com/JohnDBeckTV/status/720655012632788992 Since that is the case I think we can safely remove it from the list without any problems right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ainsworth anderson (talk • contribs) 22:04, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

I'd consider the words of the showrunner on his verified twitter account authoritative for this issue. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:14, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

The Futon Critic, which is 100% accurate, even indirectly confirms this as there is no episode listed for March 28, 2016. I knew something wasn't right from the moment I saw that, too, since that was a Monday, not a Sunday. One thing about The Futon Critic that I like is that when something changes, it does keep the original record, but it strikes it out and provides the updated record. You can see examples of this with Liv and Maddie episodes Fa-La-La-a-Rooney and Muffler-a-Rooney. Zap2it doesn't really seem to care enough to provide accurate information. It's not with everything and it's not all the time, but still. Either an episode didn't air or it did air, but not in the US. If a show's origin is in the US, then only the US dates should be used for the original air dates on TV guides.

Sorry for the mini-rant, but this stuff does annoy me a little bit. Amaury (talk) 23:18, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

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"Stand-Up-a-Rooney"

While they don't speak for the network, the statement was made by Ron Hart, one of the creators of the show, not just an actor or similar. There is no reasonable doubt that their information comes from Disney and can be trusted. Plans may change, but that's also true if it's announced on a site like Zap2it or The Futon Critic. I thought we generally accept the statement of someone like that as a source. nyuszika7h (talk) 15:56, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Is he still a producer for the show? If he is, then his remarks would carry some weight. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:58, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Role should be listed in recent episodes. He is very likely correct for episode names as part of the production team but a bit soft for scheduling info as that is controlled by the network. He is very likely correct, though, and is in a position to officially be notified by the network of their plans. I'd say use the reference but tag with {{better source}}. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:13, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez:  Done! If you or anyone else wants to expand on it, feel free. Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Geraldo Perez, IJBall, and Nyuszika7H, it looks like it's remaining on Fridays. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:21, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

My edits

OK, in trying to restore the last edit I made (with more improvements), I realized that I undid a fix to a date, but the other edits I was making were an attempt to improve the summaries. I don't get why most of the current season's episodes don't have plot summaries and even some from seasons 2 and 3 don't have plot summaries. I realize the summaries weren't very good but I thought they were better than nothing. That's why I tagged each one as needing more plot (except for one that was too long, which I changed to simply plot). 104.58.147.208 (talk) 03:47, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Unsourced additions of number of episodes and end date

Please note that unless reliable sources are provided, additions adding in the number of episodes and end date for season four will be reverted under WP:SYNTH. Despite the title of the episode on March 24—"End-a-Rooney"—it's possible that something could change between today and then, such as more episodes being ordered, which would obviously move "End-a-Rooney" so it stays as the last episode as it wouldn't make sense for it to be aired and then have those additional ordered episodes be aired afterward. Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:38, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Disney Channel's promo for the episode "Sing It Live!!!-a-Rooney" (which airs March 3) indicates it to be the first of a three-part series finale. And while the list shows those final three episodes clearly scheduled for March 3, 17 and 24, we cannot make any kind of conclusion (as it would be WP:SYNTH) that the final episode ("End-a-Rooney") will air on March 24 until it actually does, or unless a reliable source makes the connection of that being the finale. MPFitz1968 (talk) 10:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2017

I would like to fill in the episode synopsis Sarrah1313 (talk) 07:20, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

 Not done This article is currently semi-protected. Amaury (talk | contribs) 07:25, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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Netflix has wrong order

I just started watching this properly from the beginning and I noticed that Netflix has the first two episodes in the wrong order. I wonder why, because both for production and continuity, "Twin-a-Rooney" makes sense as a pilot and before "Team-a-Rooney". nyuszika7h (talk) 15:17, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

And there's a continuity error on the boundary of season 2 and 3 because they followed the production order:

• S02E23 "Champ-a-Rooney"
• S02E24 "Grandma-a-Rooney"
• S03E01 "SPARF-a-Rooney"
• S03E02 "Continued-a-Rooney"

"Champ-a-Rooney" ends on a cliffhanger where it is yet to be revealed if Maddie manages to catch Diggie before he leaves, and then it is interrupted by two episodes instead of resolving the cliffhanger – "Grandma-a-Rooney" is basically a standalone episode with no mention or appearance of Diggie, so there's no continuity error here, but then Diggie appears in "SPARF-a-Rooney" which should be placed before "Champ-a-Rooney", and then it goes back to resolve the cliffhanger. And the plot line about Voltage is also interrupted, which is slightly less annoying, but it certainly is. So basically the airing order is perfect here, unlike with "Girl Meets Fish" in the case of Girl Meets World. After "Champ-a-Rooney" I skipped to "Continued-a-Rooney", but I still wasn't able to avoid a continuity error because I should have watched "SPARF-a-Rooney" before "Champ-a-Rooney". nyuszika7h (talk) 11:18, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

The prod. codes seem to be:

• 224 "Champ-a-Rooney"
• 218 "Grandma-a-Rooney"
• 303 "SPARF-a-Rooney"
• 301 "Continued-a-Rooney"

So "Grandma-a-Rooney" was aired way out of order – it actually goes before any of these. Netflix put "Grandma-a-Rooney" last in season #2, because it actually aired in season #3, but they should have basically stuck to the prod. code order, and made it about S02E18. Going off the prod. codes, "Champ-a-Rooney" and "Continued-a-Rooney" are in sequential chronological order, so there's actually not a problem there. The one I can't explain is "SPARF-a-Rooney" – there is something seriously weird going on with that one. I'm wondering if we have the prod. code for that episode wrong. I checked the U.S. Copyright Office database, but they don't have most of the Liv and Rooney episodes in the database, so I can't double-check these prod. codes... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:14, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't think the production code there is wrong, personally. With the current listings, all production codes across all four seasons are being used and none are missing. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:20, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

We may have errors in the sources - it happens, nothing is perfect. Production order is not necessarily story order as they may film stuff out of story order for logistics or other pragmatic reasons. NETFLIX generally shows stuff in production order as do most other syndication outlets for most shows. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:36, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Detention-a-Rooney plot summary

This episode indicates the summary needs improvement but IMHO I don't see anything terribly wrong with it. Could the person(s) who have issues with it provide some more specificity so it can be improved? GBrady (talk) 09:47, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

It's too short. Episode summaries should be 100–200 words. One of the problems with summaries with less than 100 words is that they are easily suspected of being WP:COPYVIO, which is a problem here on Wikipedia, where people will take the blurbs found on the TV schedule websites, and just copy and paste them word for word. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:06, 21 May 2019 (UTC)