Talk:List of Lords of Appeal in Ordinary

Proposed merge with List of law life peerages

These two lists contain different information about the very same people. A slightly wider table would be better than two separate articles. The Traditionalist (talk) 18:29, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

The two lists are not exactly the same. All life peers under the 1876 Act were law lords, but some law lords were already hereditary peers (Dunedin, Cave, Oaksey, Greene, Simonds, Evershed, Dilhorne) or life peers under the 1958 Act (Simon of Glaisdale, Mackay of Clashfern, Lowry, Hope of Craighead, Bingham of Cornhill, Rodger of Earlsferry) before they were appointed. How would a combined table distinguish between them? Opera hat (talk) 21:41, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Following the precedent of List of members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (LDS Church), we may put at the bottom of the page a list of Law lords who were not law life peers.--The Traditionalist (talk) 01:32, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Furthermore, I think that all of them were more or less ex officio law lords, which certainly means that they must be mentioned separately.--The Traditionalist (talk) 01:35, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "ex officio law lords". Are you thinking of the more general term "Lords of Appeal", which included the Lords of Appeal in Ordinary but also any other peers who held or had held high judicial office, who could also sit in House of Lords cases? This article only lists the Lords of Appeal in Ordinary. Opera hat (talk) 00:33, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

@Opera hat: I meant not these people who were Lords of Appeal after being created "Law Life Peers" but those who were by virtue of an office (Lord Chancellor, Master of the Rolls, Lord Justice General etc.) and, almost invariably, were hereditary peers. Forgive me if I am wrong. By the way, even though it is unrelated, List of members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (LDS Church) includes a section called "Apostles who were never members of the Quorum of the Twelve". We could do the same.--The Traditionalist (talk) 16:21, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

What you seem to be proposing is a list of all Lords of Appeal, i.e. all peers who were entitled by virtue of their current or former offices to sit in House of Lords cases between 1876 and 2009. If you can find sources, such a list would certainly be useful. At present, though, this list is restricted to those who were actually paid a salary to be Lords of Appeal—the Lords of Appeal in Ordinary—and their terms of office as such. Some of them would have continued to sit as (unpaid) Lords of Appeal after retirement, by virtue of their former office as a (paid) Lord of Appeal in Ordinary. Some Lords of Appeal in Ordinary were peers already on appointment, some were not. Those who were not were created barons for life under the Appellate Jurisdiction Act 1876. Their titles are listed at list of law life peerages. I personally think that including very specific peerage information like territorial designations is probably a bit excessive for a list of judicial office-holders, so would oppose a merge. Opera hat (talk) 14:24, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

@Opera hat: I find this line of reasoning very convincing, thus I beg leave to withdraw the nomination.--The Traditionalist (talk) 16:56, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Missing names

Lord Justice Neill, Lord Justice Staughton and Lord Justice Roch. Are these hiding under their titles? Verbcatcher (talk) 16:25, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

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