Talk:List of Muslim philosophers

Cleanup

The atricle needs reasonable sectioning. I also moved another list fropm elsewhere; needs merging. Mukadderat 22:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I changed the first entry for al-Kindi to a fuller form. This is the shape I would like to see the entire list take. Anybody disagree? Kleinecke 03:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The two lists were almost identical. I merged them. Kleinecke 03:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

IMHO a list of Muslim philosophers should be just that - a list, arranged chronologically, of Muslim philosophers. In the list I would put the philosophers full name and dates. Maybe ONE word of description (such as Shi'i).

I would be generous about who is considered a philosoper (but I would exclude pure theologians). I would also exclude all collectives and schools from the list. If they must be mentioned I would append a second annotated list. That means merging the two parts of this article into a single list. If I find soem free time I'll try it. Meanwhile - anybody have any objections? Kleinecke 03:32, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

After investigation I conclude that the entire second half of the article is Persian-oriented which is not bad, but is one sided. I admit to a immense prejudice against Shi'ites (I am definitely a Sunnni infidel) and I do not trust myself to work impartially with Shi'ite material. So I will just ignore the second half. Kleinecke 04:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

• I don't see any Persian orientation, it's just a list. If anything - I don't see why the first few entries are bolded. I'll unbold them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.26.222 (talk) 02:13, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Allama Iqbal was a sunni

Allama Iqbal was a sunni philosopher can any one correct with reference. regards--Omer123hussain (talk) 09:48, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

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Difference between Muslim Philosophers and Islamic Scholars

There is a broad and clear line between being a "Muslim Philosopher" and an "Islamic Scholar". Personalities belonging to the latter category should be added in List of Islamic studies scholars or List of modern-day Muslim scholars of Islam.

For all new additions, a reference(of being a philosopher) from a credible source should be provided. Thanks. --Fasi100 (talk) 11:37, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Why are no early philosophers represented?

Many of the greatest philosophers are missing from this list. I have added Avicenna, but what about Ibn Arabi, Averroes, Al-Kindi, Alhazen? This seems an urgent need. HGilbert (talk) 11:01, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Improving the article

@Kleinecke: Hello. I would like to add some more philosophers to the list. I would also like to add some explanation about each philosopher which falls under the category Philosophy. I would be happy to use your advice too. hadi.anani talk

• I edited the article once more so that it does not have the problem labeled on the top of the article page, so I am going to remove the label. Hadi.anani (talk) 09:13, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Authenticity

I think this section does not add to the article at all. In fact, the editor is trying to explain how the divisions were done and what references were used, which are not necessary to be mentioned and the readers themselves will understand by checking the references. Removing this section will not hurt the article. Mhhossein (talk) 19:19, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Close paraphrasing tag

@Nikkimaria: Hey, Do you think the tag can be removed now? Hadi.anani did the rewording the article. Mhhossein (talk) 03:26, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

NPOV and the lead

Almost the entirety of the lead is cited from Tabatabai, Nasr and Corbin, all of whom collaborated together and were all very pro-Shia. There really ought to be more Sunni perspectives in the lead, because a lead claiming the Shi'ites saved Islamic philosophy, which is entirely cited from Shia sources a bit a dodgy.Bosstopher (talk) 16:29, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

The Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy article on Islamic philosophy gives essentially the same picture as that given here. I have added some references to and content from it. The extensive tagging (three different tags!!!) was over the top and I have removed all of these. The list is essentially in good shape; let's address any problems individually. (For example, what Sunni philosophers are missing? Or what source should be integrated into this?) HGilbert (talk) 12:40, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

The last paragraph of the lead went into way too much detail about one small theme. I have removed some of the minutiae and repetition. But I think the whole discussion of attributing the flowering of philosophy to the work of the Imams is out of place. This is a list; a brief introductory history is helpful, but speculation about causal relationships seems to belong elsewhere. I'd like to hear others' thoughts on this. HGilbert (talk) 12:54, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I think Tabatabai's ideas about the roles of the Imams, if contained in the lead, should probably be mentioned while describing the philosophies of Tabatabai, Corbin and Nasr themselves. I'm thinking of adding a section on modern Muslim philosophers (including the Nasr, Tabatabai, Corbin group), and then moving the stuff about the persistence of philosophy in Shi'ite Persia at the end of the second paragraph. As for Sunni philosophers missing, I'm not really sure myself although Abduh and co. should probably be talked about in a section on modern philosophers. I just thought it seemed suspect that the lead came across so pro-Shia while being mostly based off of sources from Shia writers. The lead seems much more balanced right now, you've solved a lot of the problems.Bosstopher (talk) 21:31, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

HGilbert Bosstopher. Hello. Thanks to your recent edit the lead is more balanced now. However, I do not think that the view of Corbin and Nasr (whose books are among the most famous histories of Islamic philosophy) on the development of later Islamic philosophy should be omitted from a lead which is going to give us a short summery of history of Islamic philosophy. The same view can be find in Mohammad Sharif's History of Muslim philosophy which I added to the lead's references.Hadi (talk) 05:28, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Describing the continuing development of Persian philosophy as Corbin's idea makes this seem a controversial question, whereas it seems to me that the existence of Persian philosophers after the twelfth century is quite undisputed today. I would use Corbin as a reference for this but simply state it as a fact, so that the third paragraph would begin

A vivid philosophical activity persisted in the eastern Muslim world, especially Persia, through works of Shiite philosophers such as Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Mir Damad, and Mulla Sadra.<ref>[[Henry Corbin|Corbin]], ''History of Islamic Philosophy''</ref>

What do you think of this? HGilbert (talk) 10:51, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

• You are right, but to English-language/western readers who are not so familiar with Islamic philosophy, I thought, it might not be a matter of fact. Hadi (talk) 04:58, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Full name / short name

The formatting of the full and short names is inconsistent and unsatisfactory. Any ideas? HGilbert (talk) 10:34, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

• Hello HGilbert. feel free to edit it yourself. Hadi (talk) 14:39, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

GA nomination

Dear Anders Feder. Hello. I have seen your good work on Islam articles, so I thought you may have the time to help improve this article so that it could be nominated as a good article. I guess it would need some copy editing. What do you think? Hadi (talk) 13:20, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

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Revise this entry

This is a very clumsy article. The desriptive column duplicates information that appears elsewhere and renders the article vitually unreadable, especially on a phone. I strongly suggest this column should be deleted and the article be made to look like the article on Scholastic philosophers. BevRowe (talk) 17:26, 25 May 2023 (UTC)