Talk:List of NASCAR Cup Series champions

Nascar repeat winners

The editors omitted David Pearson as one of the two time repeat winners (in a row). It is listed as 4 in a row: Jimmie Johnson, 3 in a row Cale Yarbrough 2 in a row is missing David Pearson 1968 and 1969.

Thank you, 75.202.233.36 (talk) 20:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<Wikipedia></ref>  Done Nascar1996 21:29, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

June 2014 Edits

Two edits or sets of changes were made in June 2014:

• On June 1, user 63.150.211.67 deleted an entire section, the list of Cup champions "By drivers". These were an important section and an important table, and had been part of this page for many years. No reason for their removal was given, either in the "Edit summary" accompanying the change or here on the Talk page.

• On June 9, user 174.130.128.30 edited the "By season" section by adding the following block of formatting-instruction gobbledygook at the bottom of the table that lists all Cup champions in chronological order, just before the Note that explains how the tie between Tony Stewart and Carl Edwards was broken in 2011:

"!scope=col| 2012 | Brad Keselowski | Roger Penske | style="text-align:center;"| 2 | Dodge | style="text-align:center;"| 36 of 36 | style="text-align:center;"| 0 | style="text-align:center;"| 5 | style="text-align:center;"| 23 | style="text-align:center;"| 2,400 | style="text-align:center;"| 39 | style="text-align:center;"| [136][137]"

Rather obviously, this gobbledygook is not helpful or useful to the readers/users of this page. And once again, no reason for the addition of this gobbledygook was given, either in the "Edit summary" accompanying the change or here on the Talk page.

(It appears that 174.130.128.30 was trying to add two new, additional citational article-endnotes to the table.

(I use this awkward wording to distinguish the over-130 notes to the table that appear as citations listed at the end of the article from the single, explanatory note (with a citation of its own, also in the form of an endnote) that appears at the immediate bottom of the table. I do not know what the Wikipdedia-technical terms are for these two different kinds of notes.)

At first blush, it appears that one of these two notes (the second, #137) was redundant, a verbatim copy of note 135 just two notes before it:

"Brad Keselowski: 2012 NASCAR Sprint Cup Results" from Racing-reference.info, "Retrieved 21 June 2013".

However, on closer inspection it appears that, despite the identical wording of the new note, it actually links to a different source: Brad Keselowski's 2014 results per Racing-reference.info, rather than his 2012 results per same, as linked to by the previous, identically worded note (again, #135). Why 174.130.128.30 wanted to link to Brad Keselowski's 2014 results at all, let alone while the 2014 season is still underway, cannot be fathomed. (His 2012 results were cited and linked because he was the 2012 champion. He may or may not become the 2014 champion, but there is no more reason at this point to cite his results for the season so far than there is to cite any other driver's.) Nor is it fathomable how Keselowski's 2014 results could have been retrieved on "21 June 2013"!

The other new note (#136 in the revised numbering that 174.130.128.30's changes produced — not to be confused with the note that will once again be shown as #136 after I finish composing this explanation and submit my reversionary edit to the article itself) was for a link to ESPN's page giving the current standings for the 2014 season. Once again, why 174.130.128.30 — or anyone — would want to link to 2014 standings, while the season is still underway, cannot be fathomed. The table does not yet contain an entry for 2014, and a champion for the 2014 season has — obviously — not yet been determined. Nor does it make any sense at all that "2014 NASCAR Sprint Cup Standings" should have somehow been "Retrieved [on] 21 June 2013.")

As I noted above, the list of Cup champions "By drivers" was an important section and an important table, and had been part of this page for many years. They are also the section and table that I had returned to this page in order to see and consult in the first place! I spent many minutes reading and re-reading this page looking for the table, and looking for other Wikipedia pages that might instead have been the location of the table I was looking for (had I perhaps simply mis-remembered where I had seen the table before?), before I finally figured out that I was in the right place, but someone had advertently or inadvertently deleted the table just a month ago!

(Is it conceivable that 63.150.211.67 somehow thought the list of drivers in order of who has the most season championships in toto was redundant with, and less important than, the list of drivers according to who has won the most consecutive championships, and that he/she therefore deleted the first table as essentially redundant with the second? I don't see how anyone could think this. If the page could only have one table, the one listing each driver's total number of championships would have to be the more important of the two. But both tables are highly valuable, and complementary, and there is no reason at all not to have both of them on the page.)

So I have reverted the page to the last version that existed before either of these sets of edits and changes were made — the final version of 8 February 2014, as per Dale Arnett. (Arnett made several edits or sets edits that day. Rather than compare them, I just went with his last.)

(If I could figure out what the heck 174.130.128.30 was trying to do, I would have attempted to preserve the two new citations that he had added to the article. I would not want to remove important and valid new information in the course of reverting to an older version in order to undo 63.150.211.67's apparent mistake. However, neither of the references he (174.130.128.30) added serves any purpose that I can discern (nor did he deign to share his reasons for making the changes that he did).

(And again, his edits were clearly incomplete and false, providing labels that mis-represent what the source linked to actually is, and asserting source access dates that cannot possibly be accurate! He obviously started composing his two new notes by copying and pasting two old ones, and then proceeding to edit, but he just as obviously never finished editing and composing either of his two new notes!)

So I am simply leaving 174.130.128.30's additions out altogether, and reverting to the last known-valid edition of the page that existed before either 63.150.211.67 or 174.130.128.30 made his respective destructive and/or counterproductive changes.)

2001:5B0:24FF:3CF0:0:0:0:2F (talk) 07:04, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Name Monster Energy Cup

Just a suggestion to change this to List of NASCAR Cup Champions instead of List of NASCAR Monster Energy Cup Champions because while Monster Energy has been announced as the title sponsor, the official name of the series has yet to be confirmed. Jrake82 (talk) 03:24, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

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Series champions since 2001

I am looking for a source that reflects the fact that every driver who was won the Cup championship starting with 2001 has been a non-Southerner. Put another way, the last driver from a Southern U.S. state to win the Cup is Bobby Labonte, 2000 - from Texas. For anyone who has trouble calling Corpus Christi part of the South, the streak can be extended a year with Dale Jarrett's 1999 championship, he hailed from North Carolina.

My research shows that Cup winning drivers since 2001 hail from California (Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Kevin Harvick), Indiana (Tony Stewart), Wisconsin (Matt Kenseth), Nevada (Kurt Busch, Kyle Busch), Michigan (Brad Keselowski), New Jersey (Martin Truex), and Connecticut (Joey Logano).

If I am wrong on any of these driver's home-states, let it be known here. Help me find an RS, I can't believe that I am the only one who has realized this pattern. 47.137.181.252 (talk) 05:22, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I sometimes disagree with Wikipedia's rules. In my opinion the states the drivers are from on their own pages should be sufficient. Wikipedia wants only unbiased facts, but some rules are so strict that they prevent information that is true and that I think should be allowed. The standard I use is that everyone who goes to a driver's page and knows what states are in the South will agree about whether that driver is/was from the South. If typing the streak of drivers not from the South violates Wikipedia's rules, I suggest adding a column stating the state the champion is from. EvanJ35 (talk) 14:22, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Endnotes Don't Work

The 2011 line has a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NASCAR_Cup_Series_champions#endnote_1 and the 2015 line has a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NASCAR_Cup_Series_champions#endnote_2 but neither endnote exists. Clicking on the link adds the hashtag part at the end of the URL, but it doesn't go another part of the page. EvanJ35 (talk) 14:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)